This turn of events remains bewildering. “The people that I was helping, once they realized their dreams, they did what a criminal would do,” Dash continues. “They stabbed you in the back. Think about the frustration of building a brand for years that should be taking care of your family, and then the person that was the closest to you saying, ‘Nah, you can’t have no parts of it,’ and flushing it.”
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Was Damon Dash stabbed in the back or him and Jay-Z just grew apart in your opinion?
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Dam son, Dame must have really been hurt by the decision to break up the ROC. It’s been dam near 7 years and he’s still talking about it. All those tirades that he threw back in the day finally caught up to him and he got the short end of the stick. Let it go Dame, what’s done is done…just leave it alone and let it go bruh!
call it what u wanna!!!! businesses do this everyday to ppl. associates don’t like it then start acting brand new. i hear what he saying just thought he should’ve been better prepared. instead of leaning on another only to complain when the well is dried up..
One word for Dame…..KARMA. I had Dame on my show once at the premiere of State Property II and the way he was talking to comedian Kevin Heart was completely out of line. I would have fucked Dame up if he spoke to me like that. You have all seen the other videos of him acting a fool…so fuck him.
IMO Jay is a smart guy, let alone a smart business man…..so, Im sure he did what he had to do to make the business better….smart business men dont make moves jus t make moves
moves = expenses, if they are not done right !!
ps: Im sure Dame got his share…Im sure JAy didnt take anything from him without compensasion OR ELSE they would be in court still !
Jayz is a cockaroach dame.. no loyalty, morals, values, or principles… “Dame sent u children from infront of yo buildin right to a hunnit million”… bottom line if dame dash still had rocafella it would still b on top and all the artist on the roster would still b poppin.. jayz played everybody on rocafella not just dame
THIS from the guy who while his EQUAL business partner was on vacation overseas put his own FRIEND in a high position in that very same company with consulting with said EQUAL partner? Wow!
LOL since when jayz is a good business man ??????? after he left rocafella ?? i wasnt hearing none of this good business man talk when he was on their.. Dame was the Business man !!! jayz sold his soul that y he has all those business ventures… its not cuz of being a good business man BELEEE DATTTTTT
^^^^^^^^^
WITHOUT consulting
who else but Cam’ron on rocafella could b the president ??????? memphis bleek beanie seigel?? lol… Cam has dipset and is the only thing still poppin since rocafella..
ironic ??
if he thinks jay stabbed him in the back by severing their partnership than what does he consider appointing your boy to a high level position without consulting your partner?
karma is gonna getcha boy!! believe that.
I thought he wanted to make peace with Jay like 1 month ago.
He’s like Game, the kind of guys that will say yes one day, and no the another in order to get attention. You got no credibility!
is dash really surprised , look how jay did all his homies from the hood, or his mentor jaz o , it was matter of time before he stab you in the back. that jay z mo , jus wait till he stab beyonce in the back and have a child with some other women again
Man, Dame could of had all that he started with, had he signed over the masters to Jay. We see who is the true business man since the spilt. We see who was the cash cow since the split. Dame needed Jay more than Jay needed Dame.
None the less the two together were the main ingredients to the Roc legacy. That is why Jay had to destroy to rebuild.
LOL @ ASAD!
B can come runnin BACK to me… haha
Dame should have read the 48 laws of power.
what a bum…..
he a fag, wasn’t there a recent rumor of the old roc gettin back together, now this idiot goes on n bitch bout some shit n da past, dame u how old?? u fuckin it up
First of all jay-z / roc-a-fella wouldnt be shit without dame. Like curren$y said it was the aesthetic that dame was puttin in that shit that made it hot. Plus they were friends and by no means is dame a bum GFOH
Niggas probably thought i’d fall without ol’ buddy/Ol’ buddy, what i do is make more money
ofcourse he hurt he helped build sumthin he was bankin on settin him str8 4 life
that shxt hurt his pockets bad
blac roc flopped, jim flopped, currency wasnt gonna do big #s
Wasn’t Dame laundering Monies out of Beans State Property clothing company? He needs to keep Jay name out his mouth. He starting to sound like a scorned BITCH!
What a looser he is looking for publicity. Get over it
who ever defends dame is directly receiving some sort of royalty from him…cased closed. It’s evident that his a blood sucking faggot that doens’t do shit. What did he do????Was he a producer? composer? stylist? video director? marketing genius? superb A&R? I mean what did he do that no one else could’ve of done???
He’s all alone…if he’s so much of a business guy why is he struggling??? I’m confused….I thought you were a cakeholic…hustler…blah blah….I”m confused…?
Thanks!
WAKE UP PEOPLE. JAY-Z IS NOT A BUSINESS MAN. HE IS A VERY WELL BRANDED MULE. HE DOESN’T HAVE THE SAVVY TO DO BUSINESS ON THE CORPORATE LEVEL. THAT’S WHY HE HAS PEOPLE LIKE BIZ MANAGER, JOHN MENEILLY DO EVERYTHING, MAKE $$ OFF OF HIM AND HE SITS BACK AND TAKES THE CREDIT. DAME WAS THE VISIONARY BEHIND ROC AND JAY WAS JUST A FUCKEN ARTIST. NOW NIGGAZ WANNA JUMP ON JAY DICK CUZ HE MADE SOME $$. WHITE PEOPLE HAVE INFILTRATED THIS CO. AS THEY DO ALL BLACK CO.’S AND CAUSED A SEPARATION FOR ALL THEIR GAIN.
STUPID MOFOS CANT SEE BEYOND THE $$. LOYALTY IS ROYALTY.
damn, son still tight?! feelings still hurt?!? pockets on E?? wipe those tears off your face already. JAY-Z didn’t do anything to him. Dame just pissy cause after JAY way him own way, EVERY ONE else did too. people fucking hate Dame, and for years the only reason people delt with him was because of JAY. He didn’t get jerked at all. he had more than enough money and was offered even more. it’s his fault him, his brand, and his career are in the gutter right now.
brooklyn,
if Dame was such a good business man how come everything he’s done failed?
This is a sad situation actually. I do think alot of people on this thread though gotta look at the history of Rocafella and how DAME made alot of things happen for that brand. He really had Rocafella poppin and its clear that after the break up Rocafella fell off HARD. That’s not hating either its fact. From Armadale (DAME) to Kanye (DAME), that dude MADE Rocafella. He was the outspoken one when nobody else wanted to step and take that brand to the next level. Dont forget yall, Jay didn’t really blow up til his 3rd album. He couldn’t get over the hump just like alot of acts out there. So I think both of them as men should have kept this one low key and talked this one out before it got to the level its at now. I dont blame Dame one bit at all. I really think him and Jay need to squash whatever it is and if it means they dont do business anymore then so be it. But somebody gotta make the first move because these lil interviews outta the blue is making Dame and Jay’s situation look suspect.
Please, Jay-z is Rocafella.lol He is the only one who consistently sold records and people wore Rocawear because he wore it. It’s like Jerry Krause saying people like the Bulls because of the management and not Michael Jordan. lol
Dame should of never gave Camron that vice president job behind Jay-z’s back too, that’s what cause the ripple. That on top of the fact that Dipset was talking that “take over the roc” bullshit, Jay built the roc and yall asses were along for the ride.
Bringing CAM to the ROC was a bad idea now LOOK @U smh. DAMN ROC was the STRONGEST team. The good ole days.
man jay-z so weak…what else is there to say
Okay Flawda so the whole time Jay-Z wasn’t selling NOTHING at all who really crossed him over into that market to get a wider fan base? DAME DASH did. Who brought all of those business ventures into the company from films to everything they’ve accomplished. DAME. Its easy to dickride the person thats on top at the moment but think about what your saying not from a fan standpoint, but from a real view.
I was a huge fan of the whole Rocafella thing but anybody could see that there were shady things going on and in the end, somebody got jerked. How come you dont see Jay promoting anyone else on Roc Nation but himself? Jay Cole?, Rihanna flopped hard, Kanye is making a lil comeback, and nobody has heard from Bleek or Young Chris. He didn’t even want Kanye on Rocafella. That was all Dame. Now that Kanye is doing his thing he want to take all the credit. Get outta here with that.
When Jada and Nas and all them were diggin the Roc ass with them battles you barely heard a word from Jay-Z. It was Beans and everybody else doing his dirty work because he knew lyrically he would have gotten his ass handed to him. Not surprising because when Pac did it back in the day Jay-Z wanted no parts of him either. Get real homie.
Dammnnnn…. Dame STILL got Jay-z name coming out his mouth? Its been like how long now? Get the fuck over it and move the fuck on yo.
hmmm for starters its business….if it dont make profit …it dont make sense
if u let ur emotions get in the way of the cash flow ..u will get hurt
at the end of the day its no different than Alicia switching up her management
ur business purposes are no longer needed
but we can still be friends (keyword)
thats the part thats missing …i dont think jay considers dame to still b friends (why)(why not jay)(was he that bad to u) .
if he did consider dame as a friend…they wouldve handled this behind doors …and dame wouldnt b out here talking crazy lmao
Lol @ Dame for being mad that even Puffy dont call him no more, does he even stil get a hollywood pass ?
damn hommie wtf hapenned to you
I wish i had a phone so i can tell this nigga fuck u , cry baby , u got hustled so what ? cock sucker take your L’s with grace nigga , yo momma aint here to pumper your spoil brat ass no homo, no wonder this nigga went to private school , he soft as butter , how can u blame the next man for your failures after mooching off him almost your entire life, niegro plizz give niggas a break im juss tryna smoke my weed then this fuckin Shame Slush come on some next b.s abt a nigga playin u , nigga i just gt hustled 400 bux by a phone componay after i huslted the insurance a couple stax, u win some lose some n move on fuck.
DAME IS THE ONLY ONE WHO NEEDS TO PROVE THAT HE IS THE GREAT ENTREPENUER/BUSINESS MAN….AFTER THE ROC. HE HAS YET TO EVEN GAIN A MAJOR SPONSOR/DEAL FROM ANY COMPANY….. DUDE IS ONLY TALKED ABOUT WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT HOV…. LAST TIME HE WAS ON THE BLOGS WAS WHEN HE SAID HE WAS GONNA RESTART ROCAFELLA. AND AS THE IMPRINT FOR CURRENSY ALBUM “PILOT TALK” IS BLUROC/DEFJAM… ONLY TIME THEY EXCITING IS WHEN THEY MENTIONING SHAWN….BP3
No wonder nobody messing with him they see he still talking about the same shit…..dude its you and only you who has to get it poppin. people saying it was dame everything last time I checked it’s dame complaining about the breakup AND JAY-Z ON A WORLD TOUR. With three albums after the breakup. ALL HAVE GONE PLATINUM. DEALS EVERYWHERE. NEW LABEL “ROCNATION”. WHICH IS DOING GREAT…..DAME YOU LOST. MOVE ON NOBODY IS FEELING YOUR SOBBING OVER THE BREAKUP ITS OLD NEWS…
PUT THE ENERGY BEHIND CURREN$Y…. THE KID HAS THE POTENTIAL TO GET YOU BACK INTO THE BUSINESS…. You got the ball in your court time to get off the bench and stop hating on 23…. time to build yourself backup…..7 years after….but at least the opportunity has shown itself…
nigga hov aint got no panache *smh*
Crown, show me one song where Dame Dash has writing or production credit. Matter of fact, IRV GOTTI is the one who is moe responsible for Jay blowing up than Dame. Irv brought Ja, Jay, and DMX to Def Jam, the same Irv Gotti who produced CAN I LIVE off Jay-z first album. Matter of fact Clark Kent is more responsible than Dame, he did alot of Jays production and brought Jay to Dame. LOL none of that shit was profitable, the film company flopped, so did the Armadale bullshit. Why can’t dame duplicate success without Jay-z name being attached to it.
Alexis Jordan has the number dance record in the country and working on her album. Melanie Fionna had a #1 r and b song, and album sold 400,000. J Cole has a video, is on the BP3 tour along with his own college tour, on the Source alone, on XXL cover, on MTV next mc to blow up list, on BET rising stars,etc. Got any more excuse lame ass nigga, where is Currency at. LMFAO
LOL Maybe Jay didn’t feel Jada and those other dudes are on his level, he battled Nas because he respect Nas. You don’t battle niggas below you, it only gives them light.
Flawda cosign.
Jay z is the Roc no matter how look at things. Without a franchise artist you have no Roc. Y u think Kanye decided to roll with Jay after the split? If I go in business with you and after 8years of us making millions I decide I want to do my own thing. That’s my choice he should be happy about the money he made and move on. Jay z is the brand Dame talked down to people and they accepted it cause he rolling with Jay. Now no more Jay he get the cold shoulder.
people calling dame a bitch/tight need to wake up. id be tight if i knew this nigga cost me millions, real talk id have him killed , oh lol @ asad
Jay shitted on everyone he came up with except Bleek and members of his personal family.
I see Flawda got his panties in a bunch. We speaking about loyalty and Hip Hop pimpin. Something Jay has no idea of. What ever happened to his number one Rida Bleek? Tell me what happened to all of his soldiers that rode with him when it was really on. Yeah Irv helped him get his Def Jam gig but he aint really blow up til Vol 2 my brotha. Irv was focused on his own Murder Inc Imprint. Explain the flopping that went on with the first two albums including the so called classic Reasonable Doubt? Since you so stuck in Jay draws.
And if you would have understood what I wrote I wasn’t hatin on Jay. I just think alot of people give that man way too much credit about the whole fall out when they know damn well he wasn’t all Rocafella. Yes he was the cash cow but do you honeslty think he would have had did all of those business moves without Dame doing the legwork? He didn’t even open his mouth. Dame fought to keep that label afloat. For who, his MAN JAY. Jay didn’t even tell this dude he was about to take the company from him. Somebody else had to. Any more vouching you got now. Oh so Kanye rode with who was making the music. The same guy that admitted to doing Dame wrong. Those are facts bro not made up shit.
The same dudes that really held Jay down are the ones suffering now because Jay snaked them all. A blind man can see that. I’m talking about his loyalty to his original Rocafella Roster. Where are they all now. The same dudes you stole your whole style from (Philly State Prop Swag) is at his neck right now. And yeah its easy to vouch for a multi-millionaire like your doing. But from a real nicca standpoint, Jay took the crab way out and snaked his true dudes that held him down for the majority of his career. Not these lil pop moves he’s making which I’m sure he has someone else doing the recruiting for all these pop acts you named. Try again brotha.
Superman – Hip Hop says:
Bringing CAM to the ROC was a bad idea now LOOK @U smh. DAMN ROC was the STRONGEST team. The good ole days.
Bad Idea?? Cam’Ron had a few gold platinum albums under his belt while on the ROC. “Diplomatic Immunity” ,”From Me To U”, “Come Home With Me” and “Purple Haze”. Memphis bleek, Tiara Marie and others were throwing out bricks. More than anything Cam’Ron helped the Label and brought in more Revenue compared to what Bum ass Freeway and the Young Gunz were bringing in [3 failing artists].
bring ca m to the roc , kept that label a float 2-3 yrs longer then it should of been. if cam didnt pop then def am would of gave all of state property those huge album budgets and get almost no albums in return
Okay Jay aint snake not a damn one of them niggas. I thought all this would fade off after Peedi came home and threw this entire argument out the window. How Jay would constantly pass out advances to all these niggas and they would blow it on trips instead of working on a product. Jay gave these niggas every chance to blow they did it to themselves.
For all yall talking loyalty when talking about Dame did yall forget how Beans was saying he was planning on taking legal action against Dame for stealing money, jacking State Property and Pro Keds from him. Dame is an opportunistic person he sees money to be made he’s all over it.
Dame did need Jay more than Jay needed him that is clear. For all the marketing know how he had he could never find another diamond. Jim Jones: Bust, Curren$y is arguably in the same spot hes always been at. Jay on the other hand was able to learn his business savvy from Dame but also be able to go about things in a business manner.
Lets dead this entire thing, everyone move on this is the past. What y’all niggas get front page articles, y’all mention Jay-Z name
Jay is still on top and where has Dame been? Jay is married to a boss bitch aswell lol…Jay has his shit in order man why even try to debunk him? People look stupid even trying
@ Crown, you sound like a hoe with all that loyalty bullshit, how you call yourself a man and you can’t stand on your own two. A man doesn’t rely on another man for their well being.
Jay is loyal to the niggas who was his friends before the game (Ty Ty, Bleek,Bee High,etc), those other cats are only bitching now because it’s a money thing. Trust me, if Jay wasn’t winning like he is now, none of those dudes would have shit to say.LOL at him not really blowing up till Vol 2, Reasonable Dout went gold and Vol 1 went platinum; that is blowing up you dunce.
The funny shit is, most of Jay-z big business moves came post Rocafella break up so your whole point is moot.Please, lets stop acting like Dame was acting out of the godness of his heart, the nigga was making money of Jay.It’s funny how you are twisting history, Def Jam bought Rocafella from all three of them and gave it to Jay when he became president. Jay offered Dame the label in exchange for the masters to Reasonable Doubt, but Dame said no. He could of had Beans, State Prop, and Kanye but his pride cost him.
Stop acting like all those dudes are victims, they sound more like codependent and leeches. Everything you type is what Jay doesn’t do for these niggas, how about they man the fuck up and provide for themselves. ALl that bs you type makes me question what type of man you are, stand on your own two fucking feet. Did you hear Jay-z bitching when Def Jam charged him 5 mil to get out his contract. Did he quit when he couldn’t get a deal, that’s not what men do.
Article was good!
all the jay/dame talk has been hashed and you feel what you feel!
All i’ll say is they made a smart move by keeping the masters if somehow the roc name falls back in their lap!!!
But more than likely its still run by folks who wanna run hip hop in the ground!!!
as for the why dames businesses fail… who’s gonna back a dude who might really do what puff says? “now i’m richer than them white folks…” they want folks easily erasible or dedicated to THEIR goals! Which Jay appears to be more aligned with!
A.K.A Dame’s been BLACKLISTED or BLACKBALLED!!!
p.s. co signing lenoxmenace and CrownLoyal!!!
Flawda you made no sense at all in all tha bullshit you just typed. And the name calling just lets me know your not man enough to make a valid point. Stop ready the Source and other magazines you get your information from. Jay-Z didn’t go GOLD with Reasonable doubt until the second time he released that joint in 99. Oh you forgot he re-released that joint right. Remember on Hard Knock Life single when he said we all lamed out and slept on the first album? If you were a true Jay-Z fan you would know that. Vol 1. flopped that had the video Sunshine in all that shiny colorful shit and even he said it wasn’t a good look. it was when Dame told him to change direction and thats when you started seeing different avenues for him open up. Dont front like Jay was the man from the gate and Dame didn’t make things happen. And I’m a Brooklyn nicca at that so dont try and turn this into a I’m hating Jay thing. We respect Loyalty where I’m from so yeah thats what I stand for. Jay aint stupid. From business to battles to Loyalty Jay knows exactly who to fuck with when it comes to those issues. Now he talking about call him Frank Sinatra. GTFOH. You are still Shawn Carter who was under BIG and still is in most of the eyes of Brooklyn Niccas. Jay dont hold us down. He’s corporate now and snaked his homies to get that major paper. I guess since he’s doing him and got it made it dont matter right? Oh well.
Uh…..Dame is right to be upset but I wouldn’t trip! Besides who would wanna hang wit a nigga(Jay) that worships evil!!! Move on Dame let that stuff ride……
Crown let me address you, I see you like a man to man talk I like that…
96 Jay drops an album with Dame and Kareem, album does well enough to get him recognition as one of the best, his second not much and his 3rd makes everyone drop their jaws like yeah thats my man, 4th is high until now.
Dame Manages Jay and is the CEO of the label, Jay is President, he hires Cam to be a vice for Jay not himself… that dont make sense, Jay needs a Vice President he would appoint one.
Now Jay dont have loyalty is just talk, when you work for a company or work with your Manager well it dont mean you are friends, partners are never friends, if i feel our partnership is not working I can pack and go, you have to work hard to keep yourself afloat.
He didnt hold people from the hood, I doubt if you are working you going and supporting all people you grew up with or worked with, Jazo was a mentor, mentor means i give you the torch and you light it, Jay did that, thats good mentoring, but I doubt Jay z has to hold Jazo’s hand, especially when it was Jazo who refused to sign with Jay z… Dehaven was friends on the street, thats all, on the street, I cant be in the office and have drug dealers as my best buddies, when we all fighting to survive we dont owe each other a damn thing, ask your soldiers in Iraq
Bleek was Jay’s friend and still is, he is touring with Jay, Bleek from word go was signed as a friend and hype man, thats what he still is.. Beans was signed, given an opportunity and given a start plus a cosign, he used that then decided im too street for this then broke the law, I too would break chains from him and go my way. if you are dumb enough to do crime and get cuaght, you are waste for my intelligence.
People need to learn to differentiate between partnership and friendship which seems like blacks wanna cry on everytime. Oprah is still friends with Gail, Jay is still friends with Ty ty and tyty affords stuff cos of their friendship.
Jay, Dame and Kareem met for business, thats that. why is Kareem not crying?
If Dame is a hustler then he need to do it nwo more than ever than be crying about another man not holding his hand. The same goes for Beanei, its time he moved on, Shyne too, the St Lunatics dudes and Game… ohh and Buck…
At the end of the day only Jay and Dame know what really went down. Dame and his funny agendas with cam ron did not help the cause at all, that was the last straw and Jay thought fuck that. Of course it’s gonna hurt Dame, he was caking it and over flossing but the reality of it was his EGO got the better of him and that’s how it looked. I miss the state prop and rocafella crew but people move on if it’s not right.
I actually agree with “So What”. Beanie Sigel is another one that shocked me, letting 50 use him like a postitute for what?? I thought sigel had more sense then that. Sigel is one of my favourite rap artist but to go at Jay the way he did was just plain stupid.
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