Melle Mel Responds To Joe Budden(”He’s Lucky To Be Where He Is”(On The List)

May 15th, 2009

Melle Mel Responds To Joe Budden(”He’s Lucky To Be Where He Is”(On The List)

Joe Budden Goes In On Vibe’s Greatest Rapper Rap Bracket

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104 Responses to “Melle Mel Responds To Joe Budden(”He’s Lucky To Be Where He Is”(On The List)”

andres Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 11:59 am
fucky melle mel i respect what he did and all that but can he rap?? that’s the question…i repeat…can he rap? the answer is…NO!!!!!!!!! i hate when niggas try to get respect just cus they came out first that’s cool and all but im sorry melly mel u aint influence alot of niggas the real pioneers to me are something like big,pac, jay-z,and nas kids grow up wanting to rap because of them not because of no melly mel…..anyway talking lyrically melly mel is garbage go youtube that nigga that’s if anybody posts his shit up because its hard to find trust and believe that’s how much he is disliked music wise that not even youtube has that nigga lol
andres Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
i want everyone to listen to this melle mel bullshit then listen to anything joe budden has ever spit and then talk LOL…….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8swLgYGWaWE
roman540 Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
@ andres- You’s a damn FOOL!!!! The rapper’s you named grew up wanting to rap because of Melle Mel, you lame!!! Pay your respects!!! You can’t just start with them like they originated this thing we call MC’ing… somebody had to blaze the trail for them… that’s what respect is all about. You put your work in, pay your dues, then earn your respect. That’s what’s wrong with these sucker ass MC’s today, they got the game all wrong… and wonder why people running around smacking them up, snatching their chains and dogging them on every other song they make. DAMN SON!!!! YOU DISGUST ME!!!!
Froman Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
“near the ballsack of hip-hop”

now thats funny (LOLOLOLOLOL)
SMH Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
FUNNY DUDE BUT YOU CANT RAP!!!! PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY PEOPLE CONTINUOUSLY MEASURE A RAPPER BY COMMERCIAL SUCESS AND ENTERTAINMENT RATHER THAN LYRICAL ABILITY DONT CALL YOURSELF A MC IF YOU CANT RAP CALL YOURSELF A FUCKING ARTIST BIATCH!!
LatinKing Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
VIBE asked “Who is the Best Rapper Ever”…….yes, EVER…..so Melle Mel has a right to be on that list a minimum for a discussion point…..

Dunno why is everyone jumping on Joe for? Dude has the right for his Opinion……as if rappers can’t have an opinion…..

Go Joe Go Joe Go Go Go! Don’t let’em pull you down LOL LOL LOL
SMH Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
MELLE MELL LEGEND AND TAHNK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE BUT YOU CANT FUCING RAP NO MORE!! PASS THE THRONE ITS 2009 LET THE YOUNG NIGGA EAT!!
LatinKing Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
p.s. VIBE putting MC HAMMER on that list was straight RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!
SMH Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
LATINKING REPLACE THE WORD RAPPER WITH ARTIST THEN I WOULD AGRRE WITH YOU. BUT AS FAR AS RAPPNG/SPITTIN WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT JOE BUDDEN HAS THE EDGE DUDE. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT BUT GET MINES. MELLE MEL CANNOR RAP BETTER THAN JOE BUDDEN HE WAS CORMECIALLY MORE SUCESSFUL BUT CANNOT RAP BETTER FUCK THE NUMBERS. I SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.
SMH Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
VIBE SHOULD RENAME THAT THE BEST HIP HOP ARTIST THEN IT WOULD BE LEGITIMATE COULD YOU WOULD MEASURE BY SUCESS NOT LYRICAL ABILITY.
South side Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
#1. Stay on topic man.
#2-#3. My best advice to you is:

- Grab a Joe buddens CD
- Fill bathtub with cold water
- Plug the radio on with exposed wires.
- Play that Joe Buddens CD loud as fuck.
- Hold on tight to the radio and jump on the bathtub with it and ELECTROCUTE your self.

Joe is DUMB just like their damn FANS. Totally lost of what hip hop really is. RESPECT HIP HOP period.
Tea_Stacks Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
i cant front Melle Mel is trash
andres Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
how i know some niggas was gonna come at my neck? LOL…everyone is entitled to their opinion…..joe buddens spits real hip hop yall claim to be real hip hop heads but disrespect joe?…..i feel entitled to my opinion i judge a rapper by his rapping abilities…in that case Melle Mel is trash… don’t nobody even got this guy in their top 20 list of greatest rappers ever LOL…how can u even argue???? i bet if joe budden would’ved been born in the 60’s and came out in the 80’s this thing would’ved been reversed and yall niggas would be talking about how much of a legend and untouchable joe budden is….yall niggas make me sick!!!!! stop being biased and be honest to urselves…please!
SMH Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
LOL AT MELLE MEL WITH THAT CHOPPERS SUIT!!!
SNAKE EYES Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
That list was made by VIBE okay fine.

Everyone is in tittle of their opinion. But people on the internet have spoken. Only a hand full people took Joe Buddens side. Only credit i give Joe is for waking up Hip Hop and getting people to actually talk about hip hop.
SMH Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I Been Talking About Hip Hop Fam Im A 80’s Baby So i Know all About The 80’s 90’s All The Way 2 2009 So I Lived Through It And I Watched it Evolved So I’m Not Just Talking Out My Ass!! Im With Joe Budden!!!
TheBlackFrankWhite Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Now lets be real…everyone is lacking intelligence on this issue. the list best rapper ever. Not Best Rapper In 2009. That being said…ofcourse the people that came before you gonna have favoritism and as such may get ranked higher. They have been in the game longer than u have i have more accolades than u have. Now Joe is arguing “can melle mel rap today” No he cant we all know that, but stupid muthafuckka REEEAAAADDDD. BEST EVER…..NOT THE BEST NOW. We rather see Tahiri……..you really on too many dudes ball sack Joey fall back stop being concern with a next man …do you…..you sound like a fukkin child.!!!!!
andres Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
#17 joe budden is just having an arguement with joel ortiz on rappers and he’s entitled to his opinion…nuthin personal just musical wise…it’s clear VIBE cosidered longevity and all that bullshit to rank niggas on the list but joe budden’s arguement is that it’s not fair…..some people will say keep ur mouth shut and some poeple will say go ahead speak out on how u feel at the end of the day he’s not disrespecting noone persoanally…he’s keepin it real and blunt and as a fan of hip hop he can do that nuthing wrong with that yall 2 sensitive 4real
FuckinIdiot Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Buddens should try to fuck with other battle mc not legends like Mele Mel or Meth. Why he dont fuck with Eminem which is nr 1 on this list? Because he know’s that it would end his fuckin’ dying carrier second time.
andres Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
#19 the reason why joe budden didn’t come at eminem is because he agrees with eminem being number 1 on the list the reason why he gotta problem with melle mel and meth is because he doesn’t agree with where they are on the list….damn u people are fuckin idiots on some real shit!!! he’s not tryna pick on any1 to battle he’s just stating his opinion on the lsit as a fan of hip wat is so hard to understand…yall niggas is such haters that yall dont even know what yall arguing about half the time just make up shit
Frank Jumbo Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Melle Mel > Buddens
-trackstar Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
budden>>>>dylon
Mo Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Melle Mell>Joe Budde hehe.

Joe Budden doesn’t represent anything hip hop….name one thing just 1.

Hip Hop and Melle Mel go together like waves and doo rags….

You mention Hip Hop to anyone and the roots and like essence and melle mells name is coming up…guaranteed..one thing I can also guarantee is that joe buddens name is not gonna be mentioned.
blanco baby u know its me Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
U KNOW WAT NO ONE SPOKE ON TILL MELLE MEL JOE DIDNT SAY SHYT BOUT EMINEM LOL .NO ONE DID CUZ THEY KNOW EM WOULD GET IN THAT AZZ LOL SLIM 2DAY IS STILL BETTER THEN 98 PERCENT OF THE RAPPERS OUT THER BAR FOR BAR IF U BREAK IT DOWN NE WHO THOUGH I DIDNT MEAN TO GO OFF SUBJECT BUT MELLE MEL MAD A POINT .BUT TO B FAIR I CY NO ONE HAS GONE AT SHADY
GURU Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
VIBE did this shyt on purpose to cause controversyy so they can get some buzz
pee Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
joe budden is trash dont he got a album out i aint hear a song yet from this bum u measure a rapper thru his music wheres the music. joe buddens a battle rapper tell that nigga battle murda mook or serious jones because thats the lane he talking about
2shooters Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
LMAO @ Niggas..
Joe Buddens Have No Right To Call Bo One Out..
He Ain’t Done Shit For Hip-Hop..
Melly Mel’s Impact>Joe Impact..

Joe Buddens Claims To Be A Hip-Hop Head After His Shit Flop And He Got Dropped..
Pump It Up? Was That A Real Hip-Hop Song? Da Fuck Outta Here..
He Doing Just Like All The Washed Up Rappers Do..Im In It For Hip-Hop, Fuck The Record Sells..
Yea Fuckin Right….U Just Ain’t Got What The Ppl Want..

Melle Mel Pretty Much Summed It Up..
Joe Just Another Rapping Ass Nigga, He Ain’t Made No Impact On Hip Hop In No Way Shape Or From…..So Just STFU Joe..
Them Disses Toward Ransom And Saigon Where So-so..
Niggas Don’t Got Time For Joe And His Unsigned Hype Games..smh..
Mo Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
/\/\/\/\/ and we’re all falling for the dumb ass trap by blogging about it.hehe.
Prof. A Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
mel is a living legend in hip hop if joe budden is even around 10 years from i will be shocked , mel been around for decades dat nigga o.g. for real
SNAKE EYES Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
If i was Meth and Mel i would just say this to Joe. OKAY fine i can’t battle rap, but can you make a good song/album?.

Theirs levels of hip hop. why cross the line Joe?. He should just pull a Jim Jones and get all his buddens cult to drink poison coolaid and lie to them that they doing it for HIP HOP.

Everyones knows to keep other peoples name out their mouth or else.
andres Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
2shooters and snake eyes are confused….u said joe budden don’t got what the people want?so now ur saying is all about selling records huh? so in that case lil wayne is the greatest rapper alive right? all it takes to sell records is attract the white audience but at the same it’s that commercial bullshit white people buy that is killing hip hop!!! so a nigga like joe budden makes underground music 4 a few years and now u talkin like he aint shit cus he aint have an impact in the mainstream?? wow………and joe budden can make GREAT songs and good albums why don’t u listen to all his shit be4 stating an ignorant biased opinion…he has a huge underground fanbase by the way,,,i give u the fact that he can’t make a single but that commercial bullshit is not his strength his strength is spittin hot bars with a message behind it….that’s exactly what we need more of in hip hop!!!!!! any real nigga will agree with me
frankgzee Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
i think andres is joe budden….lol

neway my thoughts on this are, if u r tryna eat in this game,dont bite the hands that fed u…i.e pioneers…

sorry to get political, its like obama being a democrat and not appreciating mlk or malcom x or even jfk

u gotta b smart and pick your battles wisely

y r people even sayin joe budden is young? he has been in the game 10yrs +..only his mood muzik collection is hard, otherwise he aint got much to talk about…if joe budden is such a pure hiphop head, can he explain makin his gf look like a video hoe, kinda contradictory….his best singles…pump it up and fire…were just blaze assisted

like one of the people said on this blog..go battle cassidy, murda mook, jae millz….its kinda like me comin out 23 yrs old and askin my 50 yr old uncle to fight me…lol…y wud i do dat?lol..check out http://cdcmusiconline.blogspot.com/?zx=40649a8ddceb67b9
that nikka Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
im fuckin tired of joe budden getting the short end of the stick his music is as real as it gets…..and all these haters are the same niggas listenin to lil wayne and all that auto tune bullshit right? LOL clown ass nikkas….a nigga keeps it real speaks his opinion and gets crucified?? WTF!!!!
jerome04 Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
DAMN JOE GO GET YO GIRL TO SMACK HIM SIDE HIS HEAD WIT HER ASSSSSS HAHA LOL
that nikka Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
#32 joe budden is not tryna battle melle mel or anyone u duck he was just stating his opinion that altho melle mel is a pioneer he can’t rap 4 shit
mindyamanners Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
You gotta respect the architects!! Best rapper ain’t always about lyrics, it’s about their impact. Music is EMOTIVE… It’s all about how you’re feeling it. That’s like saying Ali shouldn’t get a mention cos he from waaaaaay back and he can’t fukk with these nu heavyweight dudes in 2009… I actually really like Padded Room but Joe need to apologise for running his ashy Gums too much… Show respect!!
dave Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
lol everybody goin at joe now its too bad da kid cant cross over to that mainstream money. well ima finish monster… any questions? cud it be better? yes! but it was getting tedious and yall was waiting… so..yea… i’d say thats only about 85%..86?.. 90? percent of the potential i cud squeese out of it. wat yall think? yea… im definately goin to ave to get inspiration else where… its sinful…down right terrible to send my children out in the world knowin they goin up against niggaz like me… i dunno..
dave Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
then u wonder…. education is valuable…… but how do you teach them to think?
eisfresh Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
i feel what mel is saying. the ballsack coo=mment was funny. but will smith was the first rapper to win a grammy, not mel
josip Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Joe is all over the place when he raps and tries to be smarter than he actually is…

I like him as a person though but IMO neither are that good.
realtalk Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
this comment is specifically to andres and any other misguided souls who dont think melle mel could rap… melle mel: A child is born with no state of mind
Blind to the ways of mankind
God is smiling on you but he’s frowning too
Because only God knows what you’ll go through
You’ll grow in the ghetto, living second rate
And your eyes will sing a song of deep hate
The places you’re playin’, where you stay
Looks like one great big alley way
You’ll admire all the number book takers
Thugs, pimps, pushers and the big money makers
Driving big cars, spending twenties and tens
And you wanna grow up to be just like them, huh,
Smugglers, scrambles, burglars, gamblers
Pickpockets, peddlers even panhandlers
You say: “I’m cool, I’m no fool!”
But then you wind up dropping out of high school
Now you’re unemployed, all non-void
Walking ’round like you’re Pretty Boy Floyd
Turned stickup kid, look what you’ve done did
Got sent up for a eight year bid
Now your manhood is took and you’re a may tag
Spend the next two years as a undercover fag
Being used and abused to serve like hell
Till one day you was found hung dead in a cell
It was plain to see that your life was lost
You was cold and your body swung back and forth
But now your eyes sing the sad, sad song
Of how you lived so fast and died so young

Don’t push me ’cause I’m close to the edge
I’m trying not to lose my head
It’s like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under
It’s like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under…do you mean to tell me this didnt influence any of your favorite rappers or even their favorite rappers??? for your information melle mel was the first rapper EVER to start off with conscious rhymes…he influenced rakim AND nas…the chorus alone has been used over and over by both east and west coast artists (snoop and biggie)….next time do your research b/c I hate cats who think b/c they listen to a lil of the recent shit that they up on things ya digg!!??
realtalk Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
n if the words dont process for you then your slow asses should listen to the song ya selves iz called “the message”…go figure…ps I agree wit wut mel said that buddens hasnt even made an imprint or done anything to impact the game yet if he ever does…I wanna joe buddens in 30 + years because melle mel has done way over that…lets see how he sounds then…if he still even out(c’mon speakin of longevity n buddens cant even stay in the game for 3 years let alone 30…he gotta use his girlz butt to get back a buzz)
realtalk Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
n I’m not sayin buddens iz wack or that melle mel iz even my favorite rapper (nas…not todayz nas) I juz hate hearin bullshit…n eminem greatest rapper no way…I’m sorry yeah I’m not gonna front on him he can freestyle but ok so can jin and murda mook but song wise they wack…he iiiight at best I juz feel like many people listen to him just to be followerz(like many wayne listenerz) just because he has a buzz that is mostly from a white audience…I mean obviously he gonna sell the most records because he gives whites a voice and what they go through to appeal to most of their taste (he screams on his records like a white boy) and there are alot more whites in this country then blacks so that gives many followers the impression that they have to listen to him too…n thats just my opinion u dont like it cry emotional bitches…alright I’m done I promise…
CHICAGORILLA Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
FUCK ALL YALL bitchin and arguin bout joe budden n bla bla bla

WAT ABOUT MC HAMMER N VANILLA ICE!!!!???? MA NIGGA HAMMER COULDA BEEN HIGHER N WERE DA FUCK WUZ VANILLA ICE AT????? VIBE IZ TRIPPIN!!!!!

LMAO
Pounce Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Damn LMAO
Saye Hello Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 1:02 am
All this hositility over a commericalized list shows that niggaz have taken things too far maybe?
OverpowerRadio.com Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 3:55 am
Damn!!!!!!!!!!! Wait!!!! Wait!!!! Wait!!!!!

YOU NEED A LINK!!!! WHAT?!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4o8TeqKhgY

joe buddens DOES NOT HAVE A BETTER RECORD THAN THAT!!!!!!

Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 – The Message (featuring Melle Mel)

PERIOD!!!!!!

Y’all dudes ain’t serious.

That song is still hot reaching about 30 years strong. This song influence rap HEAVILY!!!!!!!

Do your homework! Need Lyrics with That Link!!!!!!

Lyrics: Melle Mel’s Verse

Broken glass everywhere
People pissing on the stairs, you know they just Dont care
I cant take the smell, cant take the noise
Got no money to move out, I guess I got no choice
Rats in the front room, roaches in the back
Junkies in the alley with the baseball bat
I tried to get away, but I couldnt get far
Cause the man with the tow-truck repossessed my car

Chorus: Melle Mel!!!!

Dont push me, cause Im close to the edge
Im trying not to loose my head
Its like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under

Duke Bootie’s Verse:

Standing on the front stoop, hangin out the window
Watching all the cars go by, roaring as the breezes Blow
a Crazy lady, livin in a bag
Eating out of garbage pails, used to be a fag-hag
***************************
***************************
Down at the peepshow, watching all the creeps
So she can tell the stories to the girls back home
She went to the city and got so so so ditty
She had to get a pimp, she couldnt make it on her Own

Chorus: Duke Bootie

Don’t push me, cause I’m close to the edge
I’m tryin not to lose my head
Its like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder
How I keep from goin under

My brothers doing bad, stole my mother’s t.v.
Says she watches to much, is just not healthy
“All my children” in the daytime, “Dallas” at night
Cant even see the game or the Sugar Ray fight
Bill collectors they ring my phone
And scare my wife when Im not home
Got a bum education, double-digit inflation
Cant take the train to the job, theres a strike At the station
Me on king kong standin on my back
Cant stop to turn around, broke my sacroiliac
Midrange, migraine, cancered membrane
Sometimes I think Im going insane, I swear I might Hijack a plane!

Chorus:

My son said daddy I dont wanna go to school
Cause the teachers a jerk, he must think Im a Fool
And all the kids smoke refer, I think itd be Cheaper
If I just got a job, learned to be a street sweeper
I dance to the beat, shuffle my feet
Wear a shirt and tie and run with the creeps
Cause its all about money, aint a damn thing Funny
You got to have a con in this land of milk and Honey
They push that girl in front of a train
Took her to the doctor, sowed the arm on again
Stabbed that man, right in his heart
Gave him a transplant before a brand new start
I cant walk through the park, cause its crazy After the dark
Keep my hand on the gun, cause they got me on the Run
I feel like an outlaw, broke my last glass jaw
Hear them say you want some more, livin on a see-saw

Chorus:

Melle Mel’s Verse!!!!! WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A child was born, with no state of mind
Blind to the ways of mankind
God is smiling on you but hes frowning too
Because only God knows what you go through
You grow in the ghetto, living second rate
And your eyes will sing a song of deep hate
The places you play and where you stay
Looks like one great big alley way
You’ll admire all the number book takers
Thugs, pimps, pushers and the big money makers
Driving big cars, spending twenties and tens
And you wanna grow up to be just like them
Smugglers, scrambles, burglars, gamblers
Pickpockets, peddlers and even pan-handlers
You say Im cool, huh Im no fool
But then you wind up dropping out of high school
Now you’re unemployed, all none – void
Walking around like youre pretty boy floyd
Turned stickup kid, but look what you done did
Got send up for a 8 year bid
Now your man is tooken and youre a may tag
Spend the next two years as an undercover fag
Being used and abused, and served like hell
Till one day you was find hung dead in a cell
It was plain to see that your life was lost
You was cold and your body swung back and forth
But now your eyes sing the sad sad song
Of how you lived so fast and died so young

******Get The Fuck Outta Here With That Bullshit***********
OverpowerRadio.com Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 4:04 am
Dissin’ Melle Mel is like some new cat in R&B hating Michael Jackson or James Brown ranking high on an all-time list for Soul / Rhythm & Blues. It’s Silly. Be humble for these dudes have offered Hip Hop. It’s their crews and their peers that spawned the art as it is, that we scratch records, sample songs and breaks to even RHYME to beats. So while you listenin’ to Joe Buddens, if it’s the case that you happen to like him, and you hear he got a song with a sample in it ….pay homage to where that TECHNIQUE began. Don’t hate on Melle Mel, even if you are a new MC with better rhymin’ abilities today.

What’s the lesson for the day, B Boyz and B Girlz?

Be Humble!
FrontTailPenis Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 5:35 am
i personally apologize on dave’s behalf he made you guys retarded and its not ur fault, im sry. how about makin books mandatory? and give it out a month in advance so they cud get use to it? what you think about me rolin 22s? im not sure…
shine95 Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 6:23 am
ALL YALL IS STUPID, MELLE MEL WAS THE FIRST RAPPER WITH CREDIBILITY, MIND YOU, JOE BUDDENS DON’T RECOGNIZE THAT, IM SAME AGE AS BUDDENS BUT CMON NOW, MELLE MEL WAS THE MESSAGE. HE CROSSED OVER WITH SOME REALNESS, NOT NO GHOSTWRITING RAPPERS DELIGHT. IM JUST SAYIN, THIS WHOLE CULTURE IS LOST AS FAR AS RAP, THE OTHER 3 OR 4 THEY RECOGNIZE. YALL YOUNGINS NEED TO REALIZE, THESE PEOPLE GETTIN PUMPED RIGHT NOW IS GOOD AS THEY LAST RECORD. YOU GET PLAY ON SOME TIMELESS SHIT LIKE PAC OR BIG THEN YOU ARE REMEMBERED. OTHER THAN THAT THESE OTHERS IS GONE LIKE NEXT YEAR OR IN 2 YEARS IF THEY GOING AT THE GAME LIKE THAT. IM ROOTIN FOR DRAKE THOUGH, NO VOICES JUST FLOW YOUNGINS. THATS JUST THE GAME RIGHT NOW. GIMMIE AN ALBUM THEN WE FINTA SEE IF IT’S WORTHY OF 5 MICS IN THE SOURCE.
you got servred Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Joe Ballsack Asscrack Buddens

LOL!

And andreas, you are a dickhead. Every rapper you mentioned was influenced by Melle Mel. Do your homework, cuz you are NOT hiphop.
AHWI Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 8:09 am
How can you fuck with” The Message” , Joe booty is crazy . The Fucking Message ????????
THa’ts certified classic
Ayo Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Ok y’all are ethier stupid or just stupid if y’all actually paid attention which most failed to do joe budden adknowledge the fact that their ledgends and pioneers and all that good shit but he clearly said “IN 2009 RIGHT NOW CAN THEY RAP” not 1989 1999 but right now that’s it. Now if u google joe budden and the ed lover show they break it down some more. Geesh pay attention and just listen ppl haha
E FRom BK Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 10:52 am
The list is Best Rapper EVER! You kids are so disrespectful. Hmmmmm….let’s see…Melle Mel, Kool Moe Dee, T La Rock spawned great lyricists like KRS, LL, Rakim, BIG, Pac, Jay, etc., but THOSE artists spawned people like Soulja Boy, Rick Ross, Young Berg, etc?????????????? Hmmmmmmm…….Melle Mel has a point.
naw Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 11:08 am
haha Joe budden is a joke. he thinks because his flow sounds more modern now it is good, good is objective.

the reason album sales and influence matter is because they are a reflection of the impact your words had at the time. of course joe budden doesn’t appreciate mel’s rhymes, but joe budden’s father and uncle and older brothers do.

mel’s lyrics were gold for their time, joe budden in his prime is still rusty compared to others in his generation

so yeah, budden has no impact, its not like you can be great and not sell records.

krs never dicked around on mtv and went platinum. lots of underground rappers still represent in sales because people want to cop that music.

vibe magazine is only interested in selling copies of vibe magazine. putting joe budden at 34 is something they consider marketable, putting eminem at number 1 is also marketing.

so you can hate on whoever you want but joe budden can’t market himself as a lyricist.

the hood loves lyricists, pac, big all that, joe budden isn’t some mystery, we heard him and he’s not legendary.
he means dont start beef Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 11:32 am
melle mel needs to chill, if hes so on top why he make a video
County Of Kings Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
in my opinion joe budden is actually upset because he using his girl to get a huge internet buzz and he thought this was finally it and the facts are that nobody cares now, same way nobody cared then. joe can argue his opinion and all that, but at the end of the day if u ask a hundred niggas, a thousand, a million niggas who would make their list of all time rappers from 1-100, more niggas would say melle mel, than joe buddens. and thats where the facts will tell the truth. and if ur a fan of all things hiphop mc hammer method man would be on that list also. in 50 years melle mel, mc hammer and method man will be remembered by us hiphop fans, not because of record sales but because thats who we will remember, no one will remember or respect anything joe has done in this game in 20yrs
look at it like basketball, u got current niggas like to me joe buddens is like jermaine oneal. he had a ok career and a few yrs ago with the pacers he was puttin in work an allstar i think, like joe budden a few years ago. but do u think jermaine oneal would dare call out a 50greatest a george mican, a jerry west, elgin baylor ? if u watch footage u might say them old timer niggas aint nice at all but they was nice back then and became memorable history makers. jermaine had some skills but there not really making impact on games these days, similar to joe budden.
what will joe be remembered for in 20yrs.nothing. if anything it will have to be something negative like suicide or sumthing
andres Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
shit im sorry yall that message track with melle mel might be a classic in hip hop and all but that shit is trash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hip hop 2 me didn’t start poppin till illmatic and ready to die came out…if it wasn’t 4 cats like big,jay,nas,and pac hip hop wouldnt exist today………im sure these cats i mentioned got influenced by melle mel that’s great but these cats took melle mel’s craft and ran with it with perfection it is wat it is…..i could write the same shit melle melle wrote and flow better than that lol real talk
andres Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
#57 county of kings..i usually agree with ur opinions but it aint all about impact cus some niggas just dont have good promotion….soulja boy and hurricane chris have had an impact does that mean they are talented???? noooo..if u listen to tracks from joe budden such as Pray for me and Dumb Out u can;t deny the nigga is underrated as fuck!!!!!!!! and should be blowing up if hip hop wasn’t so commercially influenced
Spread Your Cheeks And Insert My Cock In It Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Andres…You Dirty Mexican….
Shut The Fuck Up….Your Trash Bitch…

Why Don’t You Do Us All A Favor And^^^^^^

Spread Your Cheeks And Insert My Cock In It!!!!
andres Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
#60 that’s wild homo
herewego Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
THAT TRACK THE MESSAGE IS REAL TALK REAL TALK MELLE MEL SPIT KNOWLEDGE ON THAT TRACK ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE THAT HAS BECOME ALL TOO FIMILIAR IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY WAKE UP THANKS MELLE MEL FOR THE KNOWLEDGE THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW TO PUSH THEIR FIRST KEY AND LOSE THEIR VIRGINITY BEFORE THEY LEARN HOW TO RIDE BIKES AND BECOMING A PRODUCT OF THEIR ENVIORNMENT HE ISNT A GOOD RAPPER BECAUSE HE WOT GLORIFY WHATS DESTROYING THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD HE CHOSE TO HELP YOU REALIZE THE TRAP AND NOT BECOME A PART OF IT YEAH MISSION HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED WITH MOST OF OUR PEOPLE POSION THEIR MIND LET THEM SATISFY THE LACK OF WEALTH BY ROBBING, STEALING , KILLING ,AND PUSHING DOPE FORGET EDUCATION IM GOING TO BE A RAPPER THAN WHEN IT DOESNT WORK OH ILL SELL DRUGS WAKE UP BLACK PEOPLE DROP KNOWLEDGE MELLE MEL GOD BLESS THESE KIDS NEED TO KNOW JESUS HE IS THE ONLY WAY
go play somewhere im busy Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
u kno.. i dont think these fuckas really believe budden….
SLICK Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
If you guys wanna have a debate cut the name calling. racism and ignorance. The goes to a few bloggers on here who posted. If you wanna be taken serious talk like a MAN not a damn kid.
andres Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
#62 the message with melle mel is real tali respect that part but its not something i would download and listen to it over and over again i honestly would never listen to it again…..i’m actually a devoted christian i know what u sayin it deosn’t mean i have to listen to something if i dont like it….my ears like wat they like i fuck wit possitive rap if i like it when i hear it……rappers like dmx, cassidy, talib kweli can make hot possitive music sometimes but i can’t say that about all other rappers….and to #60 yea chill with all the racist shit im not mexican im colombian 4 ur info
realtalk Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
yo andres please dont tell me iz u fam??? u dont live in florida do u??? (my cuzz live down there n I’d be disapointed to hear it were lolz)…ps if ur not then damn colombians must love the name andres but thats a different discussion…
OverpowerRadio.com Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
To #53: Ayo

We heard Buddens give Mel props as a pioneer, saying that in 2009 he can’t rap.

The problem is

#1 the column said “Best Rapper Ever” not best rapper in 2009. If that were the case, neither Big nor Pac, nor Pun could be on the list, because they’re all deceased.

So they didn’t belong on the list?

#2 Joe thinks he’s the greatest, problem thinks he should be #1 on the list …and that’s comical, so his perspective is bias – tailored to fit his idea of himself and not hip hop.

#3 “The Message” is a song I’d play in 2009, so yeah, Melle Mel can rap in 2009. His flow does sound like the days of old and Hip Hop has progressed far beyond his style, but his record is still relevant, especially in a club atmosphere that plays Old School Hip Hop n’ R&B.

….pump it up and whatever Joe Budden’s latest songs are do not have that appeal.

Who wants to hear a Joe Budden record? Honestly, loves a Joe Budden record like Biggie Smallz – Juicy, a Tribe Called Quest’s Electric Relaxation, or Check The Rhime, a Jay Z’s – Ain’t No Nigga, Take Over, or Song Cry??????????????

Joe Buddens might say he’ll eat Q-Tip alive, but Q-Tip /Quest records are way over his head, and he’s not messin’ with Meth records either.

Meth doesn’t have to go to the both, he can put on “Icecream”, “Da Rocwilder w/Red”, “The Whut w/Big” …tell Joe Buddens to make a better record than that in 2009, and then bounce!!!!

That’s word!

Until or unless Joe makes a better record, all his rants (as it pertains to himself) sound like he’s not being true to himself …sounds pumped to me.
OverpowerRadio.com Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
To #58 Andres: Hip Hop didn’t start till Illmatic????

Wow!!! Ask Nas what he thinks about that.

Hip Hop Classics that predates Nas and is still poppin’

#1 and #2 Run DMC’s first album, and the “Raising Hell” album that has “Peter Piper” – which DJs still build their skills to and the breakers break to.

#3 Slick Rick’s – The Great Adventures of Slick Rick for tracks such as Children’s Story, The Moment I Feared, Mona Lisa, and Hey Young World …..these tracks are still hotter than new rappers

#4 Brand Nubian’s – Brand Nubian Album – All For One, Slow Down, Step To The Rear

$5 EPMD’s – Business as Usual ……………Rampage

#6 KRS-1’s Return of the Boom Bap – Black Cop, Outta Here, I’m Dreamin (about being a blunt), and Boom Bap

#7 Eric B and Rakim’s Paid In Full – I ain’t no joke, Eric B for President, ect…

#8 Big Daddy Kane – Long Lived The Kane ….Wrath of Kane, Raw, Set it Off, Ain’t No Half Steppin

#9 The Beastie Boys – License To Ill …….Paul Revere is still hot!!!!!

#10 Black Moon’s Enter Da Stage…..

….these are not listed in order of best to worst and there are many albums and songs not listed, such as songs by P.E. (Public Enemy), LL Cool J, MC Lyte, and others that if you play their records right now and match em up against all these wack new age rappers y’all listen to, the new age rappers STILL can’t touch the tracks with beats or flow

….I don’t even to name names, cause I’m talkin about all of dem. Just look at the past months of post and any name you pick off your screen is still not messin’ with the soul of the art and skill of the leading tracks on albums listed in #s 1-10.
andres Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
#66 at the end of the day it’s just music and we all have different tastes and opinions..in my opinion Joe Budden songs such as Dumb Out. Calm Down, Walk With Me, Hiatus, or 3 Sides To a Story are better than anything Meth has done atleast lyrically and i rather listen to Budden all day im sure there’s alot of cats that agree wtih me,,,the problem with Budden is his style doesn’t appeal to the mainstream especially not in 2009 if this was the mid 90’s things would be different right now………..but u talkin about who wants to hear or who loves a Joe Budden record?? that’s just stupid because he has a huge underground fan base who will beg to differ
Mr. Meaner Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
“near the ballsack of hip-hop”

now thats funny (LOLOLOLOLOL)

Co-Sign
SMM Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
That “near the asscrack or ballsack of hip hop” line was kinda classic. That shit was hilarious.
CityBoyRadio Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Joe Budden is a Love Struck lame who has never had a rap career. It is almost fucking stupid to even discuss this guy in the same convo as artist such as Melle Mel.
ChrisTittieLover Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
big’s flow is still considered modern, these guys are ancient. but mel is right he lucky to even be on there then agen they are in the same boat

-chi city ni99az!!!!!!!!
*Da* *Baddest* *Bitch* Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 1:35 am
I prefer Joe Budden. As the generation grew – rappers became more lyrical and I like Joe Budden’s word play over Melle Mel.
andres Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 2:00 am
realtalk #66 no i dont live in florida im from jersey…..and yea colombians do love the name andres lol
STORM90057 Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Before you comment please educate yourself by clicking on the links below… THERE WOULD BE NO NAS PAC JAY & BIG IF THEY DIDNT GET THE MESSAGE…. nuff said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLWiWlALVm0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By832OVI6vw
Aight Toma Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 11:48 am
#65. Andres. You’re asking dude to stop being racist? yet you got mad at my post told me to go back to Puerto rico? right. I’m Latino period. Doesn’t matter where i was born. But you making Latinos look bad son. change your name and hang your self PUTO.
marty mcfly Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
If were talking best rapper ever for lyrics, flow and delivery. Then i will have to say AZ if were talking bout all those things
marty mcfly Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
IMO before niggas start HATING!!!! LOL
marty mcfly Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
But i agree with budden, that vibe list was all fucked up. There writer’s are suspect.
FuckJoe Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Joe only had one hit in his career. (Pump It Up). And that one hit is not a classic hit. Plus Jay-Z tore him a new asshole when he got on the track. The only reason the song was even hot is because it was a just blaze joint. Blaze was the hot nigga at the time. Joe wont be happy unless niggas say he the best ever.
OK Joe, Here You Go Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
JOE, you are the best rapper ever, dead or alive. You have the best Albums to ever bless this thing we call HIPHOP. with out you, the game would be nomore. Please keep putting out all those hits. We just cant get enough. And can you remake the Ice T album cover with your bitch. She is the best thing going when it comes to bitches. I think that would be great for the fans. All the great producers should be breaking your door down to work with you. I mean, what other rapper can they get that has the level of skills and profesionalism that you have?

JOE, YOU ARE THE GREATEST RAPPER AND I’M YOUR BIGGEST FAN!
lavalle Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I agree with budden that melle mel can’t compete today, but you have to judge every individual by their own era. Can anyone honestly say Joe Budden is more relevant in 2009 than Melle Mel was in 1979? Melle Mel was in the top 5 of his era while buddens is not even the top 2 in a four man group! That being said I do think that buddens is nice he was just out of pocket on the Melle Mel issue. and for those on here saying that you have to look at how good someone rhymes in 2009 then I guess B.I.G, Pac, Big L., Easy E all should get kicked off the list since they for sure aint making music in 09′
andres Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
#77 i was just playn i live around puertoricans thats how i know “aight toma” is from yall lol…u takin this online shit 2 seriouse
Do it For Chicken Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Shit, niggas talkin about Pac. He is the biggest selling rapper of all time. Pac’s last album sold more cd’s than Budden sold his whole career. And Pac is dead. Budden can not put out more relevant music than Pac or Bigs in 2009. Is Budden More relevant in 2009 than Mel was 1979? HEEELLL NOOO. Budden is not more relevant in 2009 than anyone. Should Budden be on the list of all time greats? HELLLL NOOOO. IF You Disagree, Please tell me what has Budden really done in HipHop that makes him great. What hits does he have? PUMP IT UP was so garbage. Niggas only liked the beat.

Oh Yeah, it just came to me,

He was voted #1 in backing out of beef when it get sticky.
“Joe is a Hoe”
Real Shit Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Joe not even more relevant than his bitch. This was the first time in months that someone mentioned Joe and didnt say anything about the bitch.
Real Shit Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Oh yeah, Joe can go on rapping for the next 10 years and will never come up with a better line than “Near the asscrack or ballsack of hip hop”. That shit is fucking classic. If Joe says anything about someone else, all they have to do is refer to that line. Damn, that was funny!
Ysleiro Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
#87 U’r an IDIOT. Who in the fuck was talking about Hip-Hop and commercial success. STFU !

#85 U’r also a class A IDIOT. Aint nobody talking about albums sold. I feel bad for myself cuz I amswering to your DUMB ASS. I can’t believe you just said ” Joe Budden aint sell millions.. blah blah blah”… since when does record sales make someone a top RAPPER OR MC?
and you wanted us to tell you why we disagree with you well lets see “maybe cuz this has nothing to do with HIP-HOP”.. My dude the best advice I got for you is get your reading and hearing comprehension skills up and try your best to understand and stay on the subject at hand.

#83 you make an excellent point. However I don’t see how you don’t got Joey on your top 5 currently. Lyrically, delivery and MC’ing Joey is top 5 right now.

I can almost guarantee that noone will be able to counter my argument without mentioning commercial success or album sales. Don’t waste your time replying if that is what you are basing your argument on. The title of the list is Best Rapper/MC. Shit has nothing to do with commercial success.
andres Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
#88 knows his stuff..thats what i been tryna tell niggas!
Back Out Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
^^^Shut the fuck up #88^^^
You sound stupid, saying this has nothing to do with hip hop.
we are talking about a Hip Hop founder and his place in hip hop you dumb fuck.
At one point, both had commercial success.
Your stupid ass need to look at the list first before your bitch ass reply to anything.
It said Greatest Rapper
Alot of the artist on there are commercial artist you stupid dickhead
Real Shit Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
#88 go stab yourself.
I was replying to someone saying hiphop is dead
And when you talk about Melly Mell, that is hip hop.
So Fuck You and anybody who like you

I bet you named your dildo “Joey B”
lavalle Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
#88 I agree with your assesment for the most part but in my opinion Budden is top 10 today not top 5. I listed 5 mc’s I’d put before him in no particular order. I could name about 3 more that I think are right there with him but not clearly better.
Anyway which one of these cats is Budden better than?

1.Eminem
2.Black Thought
3. Andre 3000
4. Crooked I
5. Joel Ortiz
Real Shit Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Niggas thats better than Joe

Jada, Styles P, Black Thought, Royse the 5′9, Lupe, 3000, Em, Jay(who by the way tore Joe ass up on his Pump it up song), Banks, Game(also killed Joe), Nas, Joel Ortiz, Gza

Damn, Thats alot of niggas. you may be able to argue a couple, but you get the point.
Real Shit Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
^^^#88. i didnt say anything about “commercial” shit on this page you fuck face. that was another post cock mouth. So go ride you dildo while you drain your dads cock.
Real Shit Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
#88 is near the asscrack or ballsack of bloggers
andres Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
noo #94 i think #88 wins that arguement
Real Shit Says:
May 17th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Andres how did he win? I never said anything about “commercial” success on this post.
That was another post(LL COOL J). And it was in response to someone saying hip hop is dead.
Go back and read my comments and then tell me if that nigga Ysleiro makes any sense in what he said to me.
He sounds stupid
Ysleiro is a victim of incest.
andres Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 3:22 am
Ysleiro wins the arguement because he agrees joe budden is a better lyracist……ur goin off about method man or melle mel having a bigger name they’re legends omg and bla bla bla….take all the record sales and classic hits away and wat do u have?? joe is at another level he just came out in the wrong decade,,,his last single is called Exxxes download that tell me that wouldnt be a classic in the mid 90’s…real hip hop is underappreciated now u gotta come with a dance or and R&B singer on the hook but that dont neccessarily make u a good rapper..think about it
Storm90057 Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Before you comment please educate yourself by clicking on the links below… THERE WOULD BE NO NAS PAC JAY & BIG IF THEY DIDNT GET THE MESSAGE…. nuff said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLWiWlALVm0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By832OVI6vw
andres Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
#99 i understand exactly where u comin from but that doesn’t change the fact that i personally do not like the song and will not download it or bump to it in no type of wayy,,,,it mightved been hot when it first came out but not now,,,,,thats my personal opinion there is no right or wrong anser to someones individual taste na mean,,,,im not saying he not a legend and he didnt open the door 4 some rappers im just sayin 2 me he’s trash end of discussion and nowadayz up in coming rappers are not influenced by him
Ysleiro Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 5:39 am
To everyone that told me to go hang myself and so forth.Ya just mad cuz I know my shit.

To “Back Out” man listen. While many of the artists on the list are there due to their Hip-Hop the true focus of the argument is who can Rap/Battle/MC better. And unfortnately for them Hip-Hop does not equal Rap/Battle/MC.

Just cuz U a nice Hip-Hop artist and have reached critical acclaim doesnt mean a dude like Jin won’t come around and hand you your ass.

Many of you say that “oh I never mentioned comercial success”.. ok point taken. However U did mention hip-hop. U left that open to interpretation.

I interpreted as: Hip-Hop: The commercialization of Rap.

Would any of you like to argue the commercial state of hip-hop? before you answer I would like for you to do one thing. Realize that hip-hop is extremely commercial in it’s current state.

So much so that the majority of current hip-hop heads are blind. “Well why do you say that Ysleiro?” My dude why the hell is Bow Wow on this list at all. There is your answer.
Ysleiro Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 5:50 am
@Real Shit U must be nuts if you think Jay-z spit better than Joey on that Pump It up Remix.. jaja

Jay black balled him cuz of that track !!!! jaja OMG… Google the lyrics man.. Joe Budden even compared him to an aging Jordan.. which is pretty smart cuz it’s true..

U think Game won the battle !!!!??? oh my goodness Game is such a fake !!! They saw each other at a hotel and he gave Joey dap and then went in the booth and got at Joey cuz Joey spit harder than him on the first track they did together…

I don’t know all the dudes you mentioned (I know of them but not their music). What I do know is this: Joe Budden is the realest artist I have ever had the privilege to listen to. No other artist I know of puts their life into their music as he does. Spits as sick as he does while not losing my attention (other rappers spit as sick but can’t stop talking about dumb shit.. “I got guns”.. “I got drugs”… “I got cars… I fuck bitches…” etc.. shit gets tiring).

Joe Budden might never go down in the history of rap as a known artist. But all someone has to do is sit down and listen to 5 or 10 of his tracks and you will emmediately agree that U are listening to something else beyond what you are used to nowadays.
andres Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Ysleiro i agree with u 100 once again…this dudes on here are just biased thats all they go by names and commercial success when that is irrelevant when it comes to spittin bars. niggas like soulja boy and hurricane chris sell records but can they rap?? NOO
).^.( Says:
June 4th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
OMG mellie mel was rapping in the late 70’s. rap wasnt even that advanced yet. by that account all rappers sucked then, and you mean to tell me that if one of those rappers (mellie) were born later, around buddens age, that they wouldnt also have a head start to take things to the next level.
if buddens was rapping back then his lyrics would’ve sounded similar to those. no one started taking lyricism to the next level until rakim and kool g came along.
might as well tell those classical music geniuses that they suck because there is no bass beat to bang out in the whip

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