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	<title>Comments on: Damon Dash&#8217;s Former Attorney Says, &#8220;Without Dame, There Would Be No Jay-Z&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: 2cents</title>
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		<dc:creator>2cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like sh!t I&#039;ve said before...lol! 

Dame got fcked (maybe deservedly) but his azzhole tactics are a big reason jay got to were he got and a big reason Dame can&#039;t get anywhere. 

As a business man who wants a one man label? So dame was wrong for bringin in a successful self made camp in Dipset...gtfoh jay had to maintain flagship status and dudes were startin to outshine him so he took his ball and left the park... it is what it is and it was meant to happen.

but to make it seem like Dame tried to fck him it doesn&#039;t seem like that was the true angle but jay felt a way about the moves so in turn he ended up fckin everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like sh!t I&#8217;ve said before&#8230;lol! </p>
<p>Dame got fcked (maybe deservedly) but his azzhole tactics are a big reason jay got to were he got and a big reason Dame can&#8217;t get anywhere. </p>
<p>As a business man who wants a one man label? So dame was wrong for bringin in a successful self made camp in Dipset&#8230;gtfoh jay had to maintain flagship status and dudes were startin to outshine him so he took his ball and left the park&#8230; it is what it is and it was meant to happen.</p>
<p>but to make it seem like Dame tried to fck him it doesn&#8217;t seem like that was the true angle but jay felt a way about the moves so in turn he ended up fckin everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Billydmims</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billydmims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>napoleon Says: 

March 27th, 2009 at 2:28 pm 
EVERYBODY ALREADY KNOWS THAT. INCLUDING JAY-Z. 

IT PROB WOUND UP BEING ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY BOTH STARTING GETTING MONEY, AFTER THE DEF JAM DEAL, THEN TOWARDS THE BREAK-UP. DAME WAS LIKE STILL IN THE SAME LANE, LIKE THIS IS WHERE I’MMA STAY, FU&amp;K IT, WHATEVER! YA KNOW, AND JAY-Z STILL HAD THAT DRIVE, LIKE I WANNA BE DEF JAM PRESIDENT &amp; MAKE THESE MAJOR MOVES SO I CAN SECURE MY FUTURE. AND MAKE THE MOST OF THIS OPPORTUNITY. LIKE THEY HAD THE SAME SITUATION, JUST WANTED A DIFFERENT FUTURE. THEN AGAIN, I DON’T KNOW. 

IT’S WEIRD THAT HE BROKE, CAUSE IT SEEM LIKE DAMN WAS ALWAYS AFTER THAT PAPER &amp; MAKIN MOVES.

DAMN WAS PHIL, AND JAY-Z WAS MICHAEL BACK THEN. THEN I GUESS HE FIGURED OUT HOW TO BE PHIL JACKSON TOO, WHEN HE BECAME DEF JAM PRES. DAME GAVE JAY THE SHOT, &amp; PUT HIM ON. BUT IT WAS JAY THAT TOOK HIS SKILL &amp; RAN TO THE TOP WITH IT.

I DO MISS THAT DAME DASH DICE ROLL DANCE IN THE VIDEOS THO. LOL. THAT WAS CLASSIC.



Yo that was some ill shit right there.. I never heard anyone put it in terms like that, and when you look at it that&#039;s the way it was Dame did play the coach position. but hov played both lanes as they got bigger, and wanted to do make Roc-a-fella a defjam to where they need no one to speak to. which would have been a good look if they kept it in tac and have hov run def jam and the roc let album would have never flopped. I don&#039;t know if anyone read the Article where Hov said he thought about getting back together but when you have people running there mouth to the public about the situation you don&#039;t give a fuck no more. just the same with the Cam and Jimmy situation. if you have one side trying to make a move to better themselves and the other side doing the same but bad mouthing the other person in the process it not going to to workout. 

Like if you break up with ya girl ya was together for like 4yrs. you don&#039;t turn around and tell her peoples it was 4yrs of nothing and she thinking it was her best yrs of her life. it&#039;s no coming back from that. and it&#039;s crazy cause hov is the god son to boogie (dame&#039;s son). I miss the old roc but i&#039;m also glad they not togther anymore because them niggas depended on hov to do everything from dame on down to the artists who still crying about not being promoted. and to answer the question no one can sit anywhere and say they made another niggga unless you the pops of someone. that shit gay to speak for the next nigga. ROC 4 LIFE right? lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>napoleon Says: </p>
<p>March 27th, 2009 at 2:28 pm<br />
EVERYBODY ALREADY KNOWS THAT. INCLUDING JAY-Z. </p>
<p>IT PROB WOUND UP BEING ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY BOTH STARTING GETTING MONEY, AFTER THE DEF JAM DEAL, THEN TOWARDS THE BREAK-UP. DAME WAS LIKE STILL IN THE SAME LANE, LIKE THIS IS WHERE I’MMA STAY, FU&amp;K IT, WHATEVER! YA KNOW, AND JAY-Z STILL HAD THAT DRIVE, LIKE I WANNA BE DEF JAM PRESIDENT &amp; MAKE THESE MAJOR MOVES SO I CAN SECURE MY FUTURE. AND MAKE THE MOST OF THIS OPPORTUNITY. LIKE THEY HAD THE SAME SITUATION, JUST WANTED A DIFFERENT FUTURE. THEN AGAIN, I DON’T KNOW. </p>
<p>IT’S WEIRD THAT HE BROKE, CAUSE IT SEEM LIKE DAMN WAS ALWAYS AFTER THAT PAPER &amp; MAKIN MOVES.</p>
<p>DAMN WAS PHIL, AND JAY-Z WAS MICHAEL BACK THEN. THEN I GUESS HE FIGURED OUT HOW TO BE PHIL JACKSON TOO, WHEN HE BECAME DEF JAM PRES. DAME GAVE JAY THE SHOT, &amp; PUT HIM ON. BUT IT WAS JAY THAT TOOK HIS SKILL &amp; RAN TO THE TOP WITH IT.</p>
<p>I DO MISS THAT DAME DASH DICE ROLL DANCE IN THE VIDEOS THO. LOL. THAT WAS CLASSIC.</p>
<p>Yo that was some ill shit right there.. I never heard anyone put it in terms like that, and when you look at it that&#8217;s the way it was Dame did play the coach position. but hov played both lanes as they got bigger, and wanted to do make Roc-a-fella a defjam to where they need no one to speak to. which would have been a good look if they kept it in tac and have hov run def jam and the roc let album would have never flopped. I don&#8217;t know if anyone read the Article where Hov said he thought about getting back together but when you have people running there mouth to the public about the situation you don&#8217;t give a fuck no more. just the same with the Cam and Jimmy situation. if you have one side trying to make a move to better themselves and the other side doing the same but bad mouthing the other person in the process it not going to to workout. </p>
<p>Like if you break up with ya girl ya was together for like 4yrs. you don&#8217;t turn around and tell her peoples it was 4yrs of nothing and she thinking it was her best yrs of her life. it&#8217;s no coming back from that. and it&#8217;s crazy cause hov is the god son to boogie (dame&#8217;s son). I miss the old roc but i&#8217;m also glad they not togther anymore because them niggas depended on hov to do everything from dame on down to the artists who still crying about not being promoted. and to answer the question no one can sit anywhere and say they made another niggga unless you the pops of someone. that shit gay to speak for the next nigga. ROC 4 LIFE right? lol</p>
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		<title>By: ANAHILATOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>ANAHILATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THEY MAKE IT SEEM LIKE REASONABLE DOUBT WAS HOV ONLY CD. WHAT HAPPEN TO THE OTHER NINE? Jayz-z showed that he was able to keep up with the times and continued to MAKE hit quality records...even with his last two cd&#039;s dude has showed he is still relevant and a problem.  The thing is that he is talking from a higher space in life.....  CALMEST CAT-JAYZ

I dont know much mc&#039;s who been so succesful. And continue to re-invent themselves thru out the years...point them out?..... In the last ten years Hov has been the only rapper to do that. 

THE REASON LIL WAYNE AIN&#039;T THE BEST RAPPER ALIVE IS BECAUSE HOV CONTINUES TO DROP MUSIC AND STILL IMPRESSING THEM...THEY BE SCRATCHING THEY HEADS LIKE DAMN HOW DOES HE CONTINUES TO DO IT. 

As for Dame man either try and recociliate with Jay like someone said here before or get over it.  Your the one who hasn&#039;t done nothing in the game since 2003 or 2004 when jay gave you the boot... Do something beneficial for you self and stop casting blames for others...

Maybe that&#039;s another reason your wife wants a divorce maybe she is also tired of you blaming others for your mistakes and FAILS.... take resposibility fro your own actions... grow up....NOBODY LIKES WHINNERS.......

If you say you was the reason then make yourself rich again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THEY MAKE IT SEEM LIKE REASONABLE DOUBT WAS HOV ONLY CD. WHAT HAPPEN TO THE OTHER NINE? Jayz-z showed that he was able to keep up with the times and continued to MAKE hit quality records&#8230;even with his last two cd&#8217;s dude has showed he is still relevant and a problem.  The thing is that he is talking from a higher space in life&#8230;..  CALMEST CAT-JAYZ</p>
<p>I dont know much mc&#8217;s who been so succesful. And continue to re-invent themselves thru out the years&#8230;point them out?&#8230;.. In the last ten years Hov has been the only rapper to do that. </p>
<p>THE REASON LIL WAYNE AIN&#8217;T THE BEST RAPPER ALIVE IS BECAUSE HOV CONTINUES TO DROP MUSIC AND STILL IMPRESSING THEM&#8230;THEY BE SCRATCHING THEY HEADS LIKE DAMN HOW DOES HE CONTINUES TO DO IT. </p>
<p>As for Dame man either try and recociliate with Jay like someone said here before or get over it.  Your the one who hasn&#8217;t done nothing in the game since 2003 or 2004 when jay gave you the boot&#8230; Do something beneficial for you self and stop casting blames for others&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s another reason your wife wants a divorce maybe she is also tired of you blaming others for your mistakes and FAILS&#8230;. take resposibility fro your own actions&#8230; grow up&#8230;.NOBODY LIKES WHINNERS&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>If you say you was the reason then make yourself rich again.</p>
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		<title>By: bo0gz knows best</title>
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		<dc:creator>bo0gz knows best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok so make another hov</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok so make another hov</p>
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		<title>By: mcgeeview</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcgeeview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea, dame help jay-z get established. jay helped dame get established. they grew apart on direction and goals in life. it&#039;s like two ppl who get married then get a divorce. jay move on w/ his life remarried n continues to grow mentally and financially. lol while dame seems to be the spouse living off of alimony and trying make money get off who he use to be to married to n run in the same circles before the divorce.lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea, dame help jay-z get established. jay helped dame get established. they grew apart on direction and goals in life. it&#8217;s like two ppl who get married then get a divorce. jay move on w/ his life remarried n continues to grow mentally and financially. lol while dame seems to be the spouse living off of alimony and trying make money get off who he use to be to married to n run in the same circles before the divorce.lol</p>
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		<title>By: BongBul</title>
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		<dc:creator>BongBul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without Dame, Jay-Z would be rapping on someone else&#039;s label like Nas. Looking Jay&#039;s personality in comparison to Dame&#039;s....Dame is the beast when it comes to arguing and standing up for his people while Jay seems layed back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without Dame, Jay-Z would be rapping on someone else&#8217;s label like Nas. Looking Jay&#8217;s personality in comparison to Dame&#8217;s&#8230;.Dame is the beast when it comes to arguing and standing up for his people while Jay seems layed back.</p>
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		<title>By: Brodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay said it best. &quot;niggas wake up on dick, eat some breakfast first&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay said it best. &#8220;niggas wake up on dick, eat some breakfast first&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dab</title>
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		<dc:creator>dab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its possible without Dame, Jay woudnt have had that break...and it is also possible without that break, Jay would have been another wasted talent... cos im pretty sure there are outthere....

but anyways, what has happened has happened, they used each other to get what they wanted...Jay maintained his so far, Dame hasnt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its possible without Dame, Jay woudnt have had that break&#8230;and it is also possible without that break, Jay would have been another wasted talent&#8230; cos im pretty sure there are outthere&#8230;.</p>
<p>but anyways, what has happened has happened, they used each other to get what they wanted&#8230;Jay maintained his so far, Dame hasnt</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@HipHop&amp;Depression - If I&#039;m buggin...dame was Dame without Jay-Z..he had Original Flavor...how fucking far did they make it??!...So fuck Jay-Z stick with Original Flavor..how much money did that get Dame? Asnwer me that.  uh?  

Dame became a millionaire courtesy of Jay-Z and vice versa.  They both needed each other.  Is different if you say...Michael Jordan was nothing without Phil Jackson, that&#039;s just idiotic.  More like Phil Jackson was just an assistant coach of the bulls when Jordan was killing individually.

So is comparing Apples to Oranges.  Puff Made Biggie, because Puff already had numerous hit records before Biggie hit the scene....so is a valid argument.  But to say that Jay-Z wasn&#039;t shit before Dame I can agree to that..., to say Dame wasn&#039;t shit without Jay-Z I can also agree to that - - they both were local as they come.  Underground as ever.  Dame Dash did not discover Jay-Z...he didn&#039;t sign Jay-Z, he didn&#039;t produce for Jay-Z...so there&#039;s no way in hell he fucking made Jay-Z.

Now Biggie is a different story, Puff signed, produce gave him style...and made him part of the pop culture...while the west had a crab hold on the rap game.  Now if you tell me Biggie was nothing without Puff I can&#039;t argue that.  That&#039;s valid.

But Jay-Z was not discovered by Dame Dash, Dame Dash did not sign Jay-Z and again did not produce not one ounce of his records, musically...so to say that is totally ludicrous to me.  So stop with the non-sense...Dame and Jay&#039;s relationship was solely business at the beginning in which eventually turned into a amicable friendship....they weren&#039;t homies before music....it was always music related...so disloyal Jay-Z is not.

The Disloyal one is Jim Jones who was Cams man since yey high...and shitted and slept with 50 to get popular, so not only did he ditch Cam, but totally grabbed his ankles for the love of money, I would never do that...especially if we were boys since day 1 before rap.  That&#039;s disloyal.

Cased closed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HipHop&amp;Depression &#8211; If I&#8217;m buggin&#8230;dame was Dame without Jay-Z..he had Original Flavor&#8230;how fucking far did they make it??!&#8230;So fuck Jay-Z stick with Original Flavor..how much money did that get Dame? Asnwer me that.  uh?  </p>
<p>Dame became a millionaire courtesy of Jay-Z and vice versa.  They both needed each other.  Is different if you say&#8230;Michael Jordan was nothing without Phil Jackson, that&#8217;s just idiotic.  More like Phil Jackson was just an assistant coach of the bulls when Jordan was killing individually.</p>
<p>So is comparing Apples to Oranges.  Puff Made Biggie, because Puff already had numerous hit records before Biggie hit the scene&#8230;.so is a valid argument.  But to say that Jay-Z wasn&#8217;t shit before Dame I can agree to that&#8230;, to say Dame wasn&#8217;t shit without Jay-Z I can also agree to that &#8211; - they both were local as they come.  Underground as ever.  Dame Dash did not discover Jay-Z&#8230;he didn&#8217;t sign Jay-Z, he didn&#8217;t produce for Jay-Z&#8230;so there&#8217;s no way in hell he fucking made Jay-Z.</p>
<p>Now Biggie is a different story, Puff signed, produce gave him style&#8230;and made him part of the pop culture&#8230;while the west had a crab hold on the rap game.  Now if you tell me Biggie was nothing without Puff I can&#8217;t argue that.  That&#8217;s valid.</p>
<p>But Jay-Z was not discovered by Dame Dash, Dame Dash did not sign Jay-Z and again did not produce not one ounce of his records, musically&#8230;so to say that is totally ludicrous to me.  So stop with the non-sense&#8230;Dame and Jay&#8217;s relationship was solely business at the beginning in which eventually turned into a amicable friendship&#8230;.they weren&#8217;t homies before music&#8230;.it was always music related&#8230;so disloyal Jay-Z is not.</p>
<p>The Disloyal one is Jim Jones who was Cams man since yey high&#8230;and shitted and slept with 50 to get popular, so not only did he ditch Cam, but totally grabbed his ankles for the love of money, I would never do that&#8230;especially if we were boys since day 1 before rap.  That&#8217;s disloyal.</p>
<p>Cased closed!</p>
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		<title>By: Backlash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backlash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>realtalk doe ..i agree with him ..for the most part , without dame ..their probably wouldnt be a jay-z .but to say he made .jay to what he is now? ..dats just stupid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>realtalk doe ..i agree with him ..for the most part , without dame ..their probably wouldnt be a jay-z .but to say he made .jay to what he is now? ..dats just stupid</p>
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