Damm Hard to see Jay and Dame go at each other like.
And Oh ya 1st.
12.16.08 at 2:23 am
Backlash
Nice Interview, I Thought He Was Going To Be On Some Hatin Type Shid at First ..But He Gave Jay His Props For What He Has Done ..And Kept It Real.
12.16.08 at 2:29 am
NoLipRingsInRap '08 Loso '09
Dame handled the questions correct… But at the same time, duke is backing the lame that got Jay’s name in his mouth before he even brush his teeth. Mad cause Jay wouldnt take him as a son and was was gona expose when Cease and them chased him out the Rucker, had him scaling the fence with no hands. Jones in every interview talking bout how much he loved Jay but dont respect him now, sound like a little kid who pops forgot to take him to the movies.
JoMo if all people want to ask you about is Jay whenever they interview you, you aint poppin. Check the interviews how many times niggas asked Jay bout you when he gets interviewed.
12.16.08 at 2:30 am
Black
Jay-z this, jay-z that, jay-z that, Jay-z this
GET off Jay’s dick
history keeps on repeating itself u know
Mo’ money, Mo problem……Lucky Me
ya digggg
12.16.08 at 2:42 am
B!
damn uncle Dash getting em greys n tht goatie huh lol..i believe Jay oneday soon gonna throw tht BS under the bridge n make things right again wit Dame..ironic the situation wit Cam n Jimmy..i doubt Killa gon ever gonna fluck wit Jim again doh..holla!
12.16.08 at 4:21 am
2cents
lol… whats poppin @ da pharmacist!
12.16.08 at 4:50 am
Young Trump
YAWN…..
12.16.08 at 5:26 am
shine95
Memphis Bleek, Beanie,
(Jay’s Team or Rocafella’s Team at the time)
Cam’ron,but specifically “Cam’ron” , and Jimmy affiliated
(Dame’s people’s from the jump off)
“The Vice President Position” and that 1 week Jay took off for vacation and comes back knowing what happened. guess who get’s the position? Cam
so what happened to Memphis Bleek and Beanie’s chance?
See you got doing it for the team and doing for your family but it was outside of the team.
It almost seemed like it was a Brooklyn and Harlem thing. (Jay gives Bleek a chance, oh I should give my young bro a chance, Cam’ron.
I say if they divided the responsibilites equally between Jay Dame and Biggs, I think it would have been better understood, but you got Dame who was Jay’s manager before Rocafella started up and you got Jay-Z the rapper/CEO too. Dame we all know is mostly CEO’in it. maybe if it was a CEO, CCO thing posssibly it would have been better like Jay is CCO with some of his companies now(Chief “Creative Officer) instead of Executive.
It started as a manager/rapper relationship. it was a business thing but people grow and become friends like Dame would of held Jay down on personal shit. The way you 1st meet people are important to remember especially if you got business deals with them. your’e a friend 1st or a business partner 1st.
12.16.08 at 8:30 am
rrahha
yo…for real though….get off jay-z’s dick…
12.16.08 at 8:35 am
Fear
Jay has talent Jim doesn’t…so how can Dame compare the two. Dame is hanging on to Jim right now because he is probably Dame’s only source of getting money! How pathetic…when at one point in your career you were considered to be a great music mogul!!! I would be mad as hell that in every interview I’m questioned about Jay’s succes and not my own…it says alot about how people view him and that goes for Jim Jones as well…they are living in Jay’s shadow and it is pathetic that they waste their time answering these question!!! No one interviews Jay about them…unless it is to clown them!!!
12.16.08 at 10:24 am
WHITE BREAD.............WHITE BOY CHICAGO...LOL
This dude is broke as hell he’s about to file bankrupt he need to get his ass off camara. Because his last hope is jim jones and that “POPPIN CHAMPAIGN” joint ain’t gonna sell shit. Then damn said jay put him in a position where he can’t protect jay nomore. WOW that shit was deep really fuckin deep i can tell dame stressed out. And i know that his heart is burning slow when he said “WE MADE ROC-A-FELLA” being that he broke as hell like a mofo.
But its pretty obvious that dame ain’t shit without jay jay ain’t even thinkin about dame. I can tell dame don’t know so much about business look how dirty he looks now that jay cut ties with him. What he needs to do is move outta his cousin stacey dashes crib and fuck with his business but obviously he can’t cuz he fell off. Jay-z was the rapper and dame was the business man why is jay-z a better business man now then dame there obviously a problem…smh
12.16.08 at 11:32 am
Sin City
Damn niggas is ignorant in here. Either it’s that or it’s dickriding. I can make a list of niggas who at one time felt betrayed or hurt from Jay, and yet you still defend him. Do you even know how this Jaz vs Jay shit started? It’s because Jaz said Jay was wrong for bringing up shit with Nas family and how Ether might had been better than Takeover. Now they are enemies. What about Biggs? He haven’t stepped up in the spotlight besides that magazine headline with him and Dame, and read the shit he say. I’m not knocking anyone who loves the dude for his music. He will always go down for one of the best in Hip Hop history, but as a friend, he’s one of the worse.
I leave that by saying R.I.P. Colleek. I will always miss you homie.
12.16.08 at 12:09 pm
Mo
The more successful the more stressful…the more and more I transform into Gordon Gekko.
12.16.08 at 12:17 pm
crooks
the common link between the rocafella break up an diplomats break up is dame dash
he is a bad luck magnet, every business venture he did besides rocafella bricked.. if i was jones id run far away from him
Damn Dam. Let it go. Get a job. Do something with your life.
The Jay-z coat-tail has left the building
HipHop is ALive
12.16.08 at 8:15 pm
2cents
Sensitive niggaz alert! folks can’t keep sh!t consistant at all… @ fear, why be mad at Dame for gettin bread the same way you get mad at people for knockin how jay does his…hustlin is hustlin either you respect it across the board or don’t! Folks wanna live by that my folks can do whatever but y’all can’t and that sh!t don’t work cause eventually you may have to deal with them not bein fam no more…
12.16.08 at 8:16 pm
p
REAL TALK! Jay once said “made men aint suppose to make statements”. naturally people are going to say that JAY is the one who did wrong, for the simple fact that he doesn’t speak on anything. people are going to believe more what they HEAR whether it be true or a lie.
Im sure that Jay has alot of stories that he could tell and im also sure that if he told his part of everything and actually explained some things that we would have a better understanding of why he did or do somethings.
i dont take anybodys side in this situation cause i know as a people we all have our reasons for doing the things that we do and some people just dont understand why we do them. we can explain all day but to somebody it just doesnt make since. so i stay neutral.
but, because Jay dont speak on things it seem like Dame is the right one cause he explain his part. and thats what everyone goes off of, WHAT IS HEARD.
Honestly, i wish they could work it out and bring that thing back. In my opinion, i think Dame does too. He even said, “he wish it didnt have to be this way” in this interview.
12.16.08 at 9:33 pm
2cents
“people are going to believe more what they HEAR whether it be true or a lie.”
* Do you believe it!?
“Im sure that Jay has alot of stories that he could tell… ”
* he tells his story in his music all day according to his listeners!
but what I really came here for is to say this…
Dame and them did make another hov so to speak… Kanye West stand up!!! At the end of the day he should be regarded as a better all around mc and artist in my mind! Kanye made his own blueprint unlike someone else…IMO!
12.16.08 at 9:34 pm
kdot
Co-sign #12, one of the few niggas who see shit clearly.
12.16.08 at 10:07 pm
County Of Kings
i do wanna see him expose some more jayz stories even though i’m a jay fan.
but he answered the questions like a man should this time, but i disagree wit him when he says jayz is the one who kinda made it all bizness and in the publics eye he cant defend him cuz jay made it that way
the way i hear it, jay wanted to give him all the names, label and rappers he just wanted reasonable doubt back, so dame keepin that was a bizness move and i think thats where the line was drawn. i truly believe if dame woulda gave up reasonable doubt they would still work together, jay would still do him, but dame would have a job, a good one not wit jimmy
12.16.08 at 10:30 pm
2cents
@ County..
I think the marriage was jus over!!! Why even ask for the rights to reasonable doubt in the 1st place, if it was a company thing!? Jay was being courted for a long time IMO and that was the plan from the jump to dissolve the Roc!
i mean seriously thinkin now, what artist on an independant label ever asked for the rights to ONE, only one, of his albums!?
12.16.08 at 11:25 pm
p
LIKE I SAID, I DONT SIDE WITH EITHER ONE. BUT I MEAN ITS BEEN HOW MANY YEARS NOW AND THATS THE MOST INTERESTING QUESTION THEY ASK THIS GUY. IF THIS DUDE OR JIM JONES DIDNT TALK ABOUT JAY WOULD YOU REALLY LISTEN. THE ONLY REASON WE CLICKED ON HEAR IS CAUSE WE SAW DAME DASH SPEAKS ON JAY-Z.
SOME PEOPLE VIEWS ARE LIKE THIS. JAY TOOK THE HIGH ROAD CAUSE HE DONT TALK. THEN SOME ARE DAME IS THE REALEST CAUSE HE CAME AND TOLD WHAT WAS GOING ON SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT. IT SEEMS THAT JAY IS A BAD FRIEND CAUSE WHEN PEOPLE TALK THATS WHAT THEY SAY AND THEN YOU DONT HEAR WHAT JAY SAY TO BALANCE IT OUT.
ALL IM SAYING IS THIS. IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN THAT BAD, DAME HAS NEVER SAID THAT HE WOULD NEVER WORK WITH THIS MAN AGAIN, IN FACT HE SAID THAT HE IS A BUSINESS MAN AND HE WOULD DO BUSINESS WITH HIM. HE HAS NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE MAN AND HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW THAT HE COULD TELL YOU PLENTY OF STORIES. I FEEL LIKE AND THIS IS MY OPINION, THAT HE DONT WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW CAUSE HE MAY STILL FEEL LIKE THEY COULD WORK TOGETHER. EVENTUALLY JUST LIKE HE SAID HE DONT PROTECT JAY ANYMORE. THE MORE AND MORE HE FEEL LIKE IT WONT WORK THEN MORE WILL COME OUT.
I WOULD BELIEVE DAME MORE THAN JAZ-O. FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT DAME GOT MONEY AND DONT REALLY NEED HOV. JAZ-O WILL MAKE UP ANYTHING CAUSE HE REALLY HURTING.
12.16.08 at 11:36 pm
2cents
lol… but jaz-o put jay on right!? What was jay doin before he was movin with jaz… not the other way around!!!
Atthe end of the day its a differnce in personalities Jigga is a me at all cost dude if you respect that respect it, if not don’t! But to try and make a dude like that seem like the hoods saviour and a philanthropist thats when I get offended cause its real people out here doin for folks with way less than this kat has yet he talks like he does everything for the people or the “streets”…lol! And no Jay ain’t the only one playin that game but he looks like he’s the best at it from my P.O.V!
12.16.08 at 11:56 pm
p
he aint the only one playing that game but you pick him out of the crowd. Why?? this dude gives back, im sure. who said he was the hood saviour? Is he one of the most talked about rappers out, yes. dude your gonna twist it any way you can so that he dont seem like he do anything for anybody when in fact he does give back. you cant sit and say that this man dont give back.
so you mean to tell me there is nobody you know that has done something for you and as time went on you didnt say, you know even though i did stay over his house when we were younger, he is just not good company. im going to separate myself so that i can be a better person. come on dude,lets be real. i know dudes who gave me alot of things but there life went another way then mine did. am i being not loyal cause i didnt want that in my circle? no. im being smart.
you just dont like hov. even though you will say you give props when there due.
12.17.08 at 12:05 am
Guts Destroyer
Dame didnt hate or anything and what he said made sense but I wonder do him and Jim Jones recognize that anytime they do an interview someone ask them about Jay-Z but nobody dont ever ask Jay-Z about them….that shit wayyyyyy down the line of interesting things in his life that anyone would want to ask… I feel sorry for Dame and Jenny Jones, their like the nerds that cant get into a really cool party so they sit in their van and talk about everyone inside and how they really dont wanna be in there…
12.17.08 at 12:10 am
p
naw you right he didnt hate on him(cause im sure that he could) and thats why i feel like he may want to do business with the man again and like i said i wish they could patch it up and bring back some hip hop.
12.17.08 at 12:12 am
2cents
for 1 this post is bout him… thats why! But you never answered the question did jay put jaz or or vice versa!?
he said he was the hood saviour, paraphasing but “he did what so we wouldn’t have to… ”
I never said he didn’t give (all who have a lil change need a tax write off!!!) don’t be so sensitive tho what I said was there are others in the hood who do way more with way less
and yes people grow apart and situations happen but when things start to form a pattern it is what it is!
And I don’t like him as an artist but I’m a lil older than most posters so I remember and experienced more! It’s amazing to me how he survived the truth in Ether the way he did!!! But like I said I give props were thay are due.
personally like I’ve periodically stated here dude had so much potential to empower people and jus sold out… but the times changed and sellin out became cool so…
I still don’t rock with the crossover though!
12.17.08 at 12:22 am
Get High Smurf
If you dont know these niggas personally, how can you say whos loyal and whos not? none of you niggas ever met Jay,Dame, Jaz O or any of the niggas they done biz with. only thing you niggas know, is what you read about these niggas. yall sound like a bunch of bitches. worry about your own pockets and not the next niggas. because i bet none of you niggas got 100 grand in pocket. and thats small change.
12.17.08 at 12:26 am
p
to answer your question, yes he did put him on. now does that mean he have to stay with the guy for the rest of his life? so why crucify him for not. im sure that there is some body who he kept from having to do what he did. it may not have reached you , but somebody was blessed in the hood cause of him.
so if you feel like he has so much potential to empower people then in a since you do feel like he was the hood saviour. so is that why you dont like the dude.
let me ask you this. what is it that you do to help out.
12.17.08 at 12:42 am
2cents
@ P nah but Its a direct rebuttal to you sayin Dame has more credit than Jaz.
He coulda been!!! He fell short of that KRS, Pac and Even Big catagory… big started talkin that fresh post drug sh!t!
As for me I keep my neices and nephews out of as much trouble as possible, For the lil dudes that still have an open mind i tell them and if needed try to help them find somethin better 2 do then sell drugs, I share what has been successful and unsucessful for me, I purposely try not to make someone go thru b.s. I went through unless it was of some value to me in my developement, I support additional family memebers and friends, I mean what do you want me to say…lol! I donated 1.5 mil!? …lol
12.17.08 at 12:43 am
p
@2cents, as always my dude i respect what you say. I am also a little older then most here. so i can relate. its nothing wrong with playing a little devils advocate to get a good coversation. all respect brother. got to work in the morning. i holla.
12.17.08 at 12:48 am
p
Respect, Respect my dude. Thanks for the convo.
12.17.08 at 12:49 am
2cents
@ Smurf, true but people speculate on stuff like this all the time… p.s. i never said I had intimite knowledge! Its kinda like you worryin bout what were commentin on though…lol is it better to worry bout broke niggas like I’m suppose to be!?
@ P
… thinkin bout it its kinda like kobe and shaq!
they both had great success together but when they parted they had to find a new compliment… jay already had his when he left he had the whole label behind him! Dame didn’t have that same compliment so he was left to do what he does…
at the end they let personal aspirations and lack of communication turn something somewhat powerful into nothing (Jay, SP, Diplomats, etc) Coulda been the biggest black owned label ever… but I think they sold out!!
12.17.08 at 12:52 am
2cents
Sh!t i’m @ work now and i love devils advocates… i’m one from time to time myself! Be easy fam and I heard you… U no1
12.17.08 at 12:54 am
p
@2cent. Dude is worrying about what we talking about. Why he worried about us?? Thats why im going to sleep he told us to shut up. 2Cent i think you better go to before he come back.
12.17.08 at 2:39 am
Black
@18 can you explain to me what do you eman with that statement: “Dame and them did make another hov so to speak… Kanye West stand up!!! At the end of the day he should be regarded as a better all around mc and artist in my mind! Kanye made his own blueprint unlike someone else…IMO!”
12.17.08 at 2:54 am
2cents
?… lol I have nothin but time on my hands like Prodigy…lol!
“heard niggas sayin they made Hov, made Hov say ok!, make another hov” – Jay
“Dame and them did make another hov so to speak… Kanye West stand up!!! At the end of the day he should be regarded as a better all around mc and artist in my mind! Kanye made his own blueprint unlike someone else…IMO!” ME (2cents)
I refuse to explain if you can’t comprehend that you won’t comprehend the explanation but I will elaborate…
kanye didn’t use mad recycled versus from others (Big) he didn’t use other peoples names to become/stay relevant (Nas, jaz, etc), he didn’t use old concepts like Blueprint (krs-one album name), lost ones (lauryn hill’s song title) etc, and he can spit plus produce! His 1st 3 albums can be considered classics! this new track albeit its not what I usually listen to and is NOT RAP or HIP HOP is still a great work of artistry… jus not my cup of tea but dude maybe very well be 4 for 4! and last but not least he’s the only artist who came from scratch that jay couldn’t hold back!!!
12.17.08 at 3:28 am
bo0gz knos be$t
I HATE PPL THAT GIVE INTERVIEWS AND DO NOT SAY ANYTHING BUT SAY THEY ANS ANY QUESTION
12.17.08 at 3:29 am
bo0gz knos be$t
but hiphop is the new wrestling = FAKE jay dame were kickin it the other day
12.17.08 at 7:57 am
2cents
Another thought is… realistically how many dudes you know who can earn endless taxfree money on the street and been supposedly doin it since they was a kid that would sign over there life for a small percent? And Jay must have been tryin to shop hard if not he wouldn’t have been complainin about labels not signing him!
12.26.08 at 9:07 pm
roc
yo, dame real dude…him and jay shud be friends again.
But that nigga jaz, he a bitch.
Tellin nas info to get at jay…smh
anyone see jaz-o wishin jay-z happy birthday…so sad. look it up on youtube, it will make you realize how far a black man can fall by being unreal.
04.07.09 at 10:36 pm
kellz
DAME STOP BITCHIN…HE THIS, HE THAT, “HE MADE IT THAT WAY” MAN UP!!!! U BITCH!!!!!!!!!!
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Damm Hard to see Jay and Dame go at each other like.
And Oh ya 1st.
Nice Interview, I Thought He Was Going To Be On Some Hatin Type Shid at First ..But He Gave Jay His Props For What He Has Done ..And Kept It Real.
Dame handled the questions correct… But at the same time, duke is backing the lame that got Jay’s name in his mouth before he even brush his teeth. Mad cause Jay wouldnt take him as a son and was was gona expose when Cease and them chased him out the Rucker, had him scaling the fence with no hands. Jones in every interview talking bout how much he loved Jay but dont respect him now, sound like a little kid who pops forgot to take him to the movies.
JoMo if all people want to ask you about is Jay whenever they interview you, you aint poppin. Check the interviews how many times niggas asked Jay bout you when he gets interviewed.
Jay-z this, jay-z that, jay-z that, Jay-z this
GET off Jay’s dick
history keeps on repeating itself u know
Mo’ money, Mo problem……Lucky Me
ya digggg
damn uncle Dash getting em greys n tht goatie huh lol..i believe Jay oneday soon gonna throw tht BS under the bridge n make things right again wit Dame..ironic the situation wit Cam n Jimmy..i doubt Killa gon ever gonna fluck wit Jim again doh..holla!
lol… whats poppin @ da pharmacist!
YAWN…..
Memphis Bleek, Beanie,
(Jay’s Team or Rocafella’s Team at the time)
Cam’ron,but specifically “Cam’ron” , and Jimmy affiliated
(Dame’s people’s from the jump off)
“The Vice President Position” and that 1 week Jay took off for vacation and comes back knowing what happened. guess who get’s the position? Cam
so what happened to Memphis Bleek and Beanie’s chance?
See you got doing it for the team and doing for your family but it was outside of the team.
It almost seemed like it was a Brooklyn and Harlem thing. (Jay gives Bleek a chance, oh I should give my young bro a chance, Cam’ron.
I say if they divided the responsibilites equally between Jay Dame and Biggs, I think it would have been better understood, but you got Dame who was Jay’s manager before Rocafella started up and you got Jay-Z the rapper/CEO too. Dame we all know is mostly CEO’in it. maybe if it was a CEO, CCO thing posssibly it would have been better like Jay is CCO with some of his companies now(Chief “Creative Officer) instead of Executive.
It started as a manager/rapper relationship. it was a business thing but people grow and become friends like Dame would of held Jay down on personal shit. The way you 1st meet people are important to remember especially if you got business deals with them. your’e a friend 1st or a business partner 1st.
yo…for real though….get off jay-z’s dick…
Jay has talent Jim doesn’t…so how can Dame compare the two. Dame is hanging on to Jim right now because he is probably Dame’s only source of getting money! How pathetic…when at one point in your career you were considered to be a great music mogul!!! I would be mad as hell that in every interview I’m questioned about Jay’s succes and not my own…it says alot about how people view him and that goes for Jim Jones as well…they are living in Jay’s shadow and it is pathetic that they waste their time answering these question!!! No one interviews Jay about them…unless it is to clown them!!!
This dude is broke as hell he’s about to file bankrupt he need to get his ass off camara. Because his last hope is jim jones and that “POPPIN CHAMPAIGN” joint ain’t gonna sell shit. Then damn said jay put him in a position where he can’t protect jay nomore. WOW that shit was deep really fuckin deep i can tell dame stressed out. And i know that his heart is burning slow when he said “WE MADE ROC-A-FELLA” being that he broke as hell like a mofo.
But its pretty obvious that dame ain’t shit without jay jay ain’t even thinkin about dame. I can tell dame don’t know so much about business look how dirty he looks now that jay cut ties with him. What he needs to do is move outta his cousin stacey dashes crib and fuck with his business but obviously he can’t cuz he fell off. Jay-z was the rapper and dame was the business man why is jay-z a better business man now then dame there obviously a problem…smh
Damn niggas is ignorant in here. Either it’s that or it’s dickriding. I can make a list of niggas who at one time felt betrayed or hurt from Jay, and yet you still defend him. Do you even know how this Jaz vs Jay shit started? It’s because Jaz said Jay was wrong for bringing up shit with Nas family and how Ether might had been better than Takeover. Now they are enemies. What about Biggs? He haven’t stepped up in the spotlight besides that magazine headline with him and Dame, and read the shit he say. I’m not knocking anyone who loves the dude for his music. He will always go down for one of the best in Hip Hop history, but as a friend, he’s one of the worse.
I leave that by saying R.I.P. Colleek. I will always miss you homie.
The more successful the more stressful…the more and more I transform into Gordon Gekko.
the common link between the rocafella break up an diplomats break up is dame dash
he is a bad luck magnet, every business venture he did besides rocafella bricked.. if i was jones id run far away from him
[hiphopfrequency.com]
Damn Dam. Let it go. Get a job. Do something with your life.
The Jay-z coat-tail has left the building
HipHop is ALive
Sensitive niggaz alert! folks can’t keep sh!t consistant at all… @ fear, why be mad at Dame for gettin bread the same way you get mad at people for knockin how jay does his…hustlin is hustlin either you respect it across the board or don’t! Folks wanna live by that my folks can do whatever but y’all can’t and that sh!t don’t work cause eventually you may have to deal with them not bein fam no more…
REAL TALK! Jay once said “made men aint suppose to make statements”. naturally people are going to say that JAY is the one who did wrong, for the simple fact that he doesn’t speak on anything. people are going to believe more what they HEAR whether it be true or a lie.
Im sure that Jay has alot of stories that he could tell and im also sure that if he told his part of everything and actually explained some things that we would have a better understanding of why he did or do somethings.
i dont take anybodys side in this situation cause i know as a people we all have our reasons for doing the things that we do and some people just dont understand why we do them. we can explain all day but to somebody it just doesnt make since. so i stay neutral.
but, because Jay dont speak on things it seem like Dame is the right one cause he explain his part. and thats what everyone goes off of, WHAT IS HEARD.
Honestly, i wish they could work it out and bring that thing back. In my opinion, i think Dame does too. He even said, “he wish it didnt have to be this way” in this interview.
“people are going to believe more what they HEAR whether it be true or a lie.”
* Do you believe it!?
“Im sure that Jay has alot of stories that he could tell… ”
* he tells his story in his music all day according to his listeners!
but what I really came here for is to say this…
Dame and them did make another hov so to speak… Kanye West stand up!!! At the end of the day he should be regarded as a better all around mc and artist in my mind! Kanye made his own blueprint unlike someone else…IMO!
Co-sign #12, one of the few niggas who see shit clearly.
i do wanna see him expose some more jayz stories even though i’m a jay fan.
but he answered the questions like a man should this time, but i disagree wit him when he says jayz is the one who kinda made it all bizness and in the publics eye he cant defend him cuz jay made it that way
the way i hear it, jay wanted to give him all the names, label and rappers he just wanted reasonable doubt back, so dame keepin that was a bizness move and i think thats where the line was drawn. i truly believe if dame woulda gave up reasonable doubt they would still work together, jay would still do him, but dame would have a job, a good one not wit jimmy
@ County..
I think the marriage was jus over!!! Why even ask for the rights to reasonable doubt in the 1st place, if it was a company thing!? Jay was being courted for a long time IMO and that was the plan from the jump to dissolve the Roc!
i mean seriously thinkin now, what artist on an independant label ever asked for the rights to ONE, only one, of his albums!?
LIKE I SAID, I DONT SIDE WITH EITHER ONE. BUT I MEAN ITS BEEN HOW MANY YEARS NOW AND THATS THE MOST INTERESTING QUESTION THEY ASK THIS GUY. IF THIS DUDE OR JIM JONES DIDNT TALK ABOUT JAY WOULD YOU REALLY LISTEN. THE ONLY REASON WE CLICKED ON HEAR IS CAUSE WE SAW DAME DASH SPEAKS ON JAY-Z.
SOME PEOPLE VIEWS ARE LIKE THIS. JAY TOOK THE HIGH ROAD CAUSE HE DONT TALK. THEN SOME ARE DAME IS THE REALEST CAUSE HE CAME AND TOLD WHAT WAS GOING ON SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT. IT SEEMS THAT JAY IS A BAD FRIEND CAUSE WHEN PEOPLE TALK THATS WHAT THEY SAY AND THEN YOU DONT HEAR WHAT JAY SAY TO BALANCE IT OUT.
ALL IM SAYING IS THIS. IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN THAT BAD, DAME HAS NEVER SAID THAT HE WOULD NEVER WORK WITH THIS MAN AGAIN, IN FACT HE SAID THAT HE IS A BUSINESS MAN AND HE WOULD DO BUSINESS WITH HIM. HE HAS NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE MAN AND HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW THAT HE COULD TELL YOU PLENTY OF STORIES. I FEEL LIKE AND THIS IS MY OPINION, THAT HE DONT WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW CAUSE HE MAY STILL FEEL LIKE THEY COULD WORK TOGETHER. EVENTUALLY JUST LIKE HE SAID HE DONT PROTECT JAY ANYMORE. THE MORE AND MORE HE FEEL LIKE IT WONT WORK THEN MORE WILL COME OUT.
I WOULD BELIEVE DAME MORE THAN JAZ-O. FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT DAME GOT MONEY AND DONT REALLY NEED HOV. JAZ-O WILL MAKE UP ANYTHING CAUSE HE REALLY HURTING.
lol… but jaz-o put jay on right!? What was jay doin before he was movin with jaz… not the other way around!!!
Atthe end of the day its a differnce in personalities Jigga is a me at all cost dude if you respect that respect it, if not don’t! But to try and make a dude like that seem like the hoods saviour and a philanthropist thats when I get offended cause its real people out here doin for folks with way less than this kat has yet he talks like he does everything for the people or the “streets”…lol! And no Jay ain’t the only one playin that game but he looks like he’s the best at it from my P.O.V!
he aint the only one playing that game but you pick him out of the crowd. Why?? this dude gives back, im sure. who said he was the hood saviour? Is he one of the most talked about rappers out, yes. dude your gonna twist it any way you can so that he dont seem like he do anything for anybody when in fact he does give back. you cant sit and say that this man dont give back.
so you mean to tell me there is nobody you know that has done something for you and as time went on you didnt say, you know even though i did stay over his house when we were younger, he is just not good company. im going to separate myself so that i can be a better person. come on dude,lets be real. i know dudes who gave me alot of things but there life went another way then mine did. am i being not loyal cause i didnt want that in my circle? no. im being smart.
you just dont like hov. even though you will say you give props when there due.
Dame didnt hate or anything and what he said made sense but I wonder do him and Jim Jones recognize that anytime they do an interview someone ask them about Jay-Z but nobody dont ever ask Jay-Z about them….that shit wayyyyyy down the line of interesting things in his life that anyone would want to ask… I feel sorry for Dame and Jenny Jones, their like the nerds that cant get into a really cool party so they sit in their van and talk about everyone inside and how they really dont wanna be in there…
naw you right he didnt hate on him(cause im sure that he could) and thats why i feel like he may want to do business with the man again and like i said i wish they could patch it up and bring back some hip hop.
for 1 this post is bout him… thats why! But you never answered the question did jay put jaz or or vice versa!?
he said he was the hood saviour, paraphasing but “he did what so we wouldn’t have to… ”
I never said he didn’t give (all who have a lil change need a tax write off!!!) don’t be so sensitive tho what I said was there are others in the hood who do way more with way less
and yes people grow apart and situations happen but when things start to form a pattern it is what it is!
And I don’t like him as an artist but I’m a lil older than most posters so I remember and experienced more! It’s amazing to me how he survived the truth in Ether the way he did!!! But like I said I give props were thay are due.
personally like I’ve periodically stated here dude had so much potential to empower people and jus sold out… but the times changed and sellin out became cool so…
I still don’t rock with the crossover though!
If you dont know these niggas personally, how can you say whos loyal and whos not? none of you niggas ever met Jay,Dame, Jaz O or any of the niggas they done biz with. only thing you niggas know, is what you read about these niggas. yall sound like a bunch of bitches. worry about your own pockets and not the next niggas. because i bet none of you niggas got 100 grand in pocket. and thats small change.
to answer your question, yes he did put him on. now does that mean he have to stay with the guy for the rest of his life? so why crucify him for not. im sure that there is some body who he kept from having to do what he did. it may not have reached you , but somebody was blessed in the hood cause of him.
so if you feel like he has so much potential to empower people then in a since you do feel like he was the hood saviour. so is that why you dont like the dude.
let me ask you this. what is it that you do to help out.
@ P nah but Its a direct rebuttal to you sayin Dame has more credit than Jaz.
He coulda been!!! He fell short of that KRS, Pac and Even Big catagory… big started talkin that fresh post drug sh!t!
As for me I keep my neices and nephews out of as much trouble as possible, For the lil dudes that still have an open mind i tell them and if needed try to help them find somethin better 2 do then sell drugs, I share what has been successful and unsucessful for me, I purposely try not to make someone go thru b.s. I went through unless it was of some value to me in my developement, I support additional family memebers and friends, I mean what do you want me to say…lol! I donated 1.5 mil!? …lol
@2cents, as always my dude i respect what you say. I am also a little older then most here. so i can relate. its nothing wrong with playing a little devils advocate to get a good coversation. all respect brother. got to work in the morning. i holla.
Respect, Respect my dude. Thanks for the convo.
@ Smurf, true but people speculate on stuff like this all the time… p.s. i never said I had intimite knowledge! Its kinda like you worryin bout what were commentin on though…lol is it better to worry bout broke niggas like I’m suppose to be!?
@ P
… thinkin bout it its kinda like kobe and shaq!
they both had great success together but when they parted they had to find a new compliment… jay already had his when he left he had the whole label behind him! Dame didn’t have that same compliment so he was left to do what he does…
at the end they let personal aspirations and lack of communication turn something somewhat powerful into nothing (Jay, SP, Diplomats, etc) Coulda been the biggest black owned label ever… but I think they sold out!!
Sh!t i’m @ work now and i love devils advocates… i’m one from time to time myself! Be easy fam and I heard you… U no1
@2cent. Dude is worrying about what we talking about. Why he worried about us?? Thats why im going to sleep he told us to shut up. 2Cent i think you better go to before he come back.
@18 can you explain to me what do you eman with that statement: “Dame and them did make another hov so to speak… Kanye West stand up!!! At the end of the day he should be regarded as a better all around mc and artist in my mind! Kanye made his own blueprint unlike someone else…IMO!”
?… lol I have nothin but time on my hands like Prodigy…lol!
“heard niggas sayin they made Hov, made Hov say ok!, make another hov” – Jay
“Dame and them did make another hov so to speak… Kanye West stand up!!! At the end of the day he should be regarded as a better all around mc and artist in my mind! Kanye made his own blueprint unlike someone else…IMO!” ME (2cents)
I refuse to explain if you can’t comprehend that you won’t comprehend the explanation but I will elaborate…
kanye didn’t use mad recycled versus from others (Big) he didn’t use other peoples names to become/stay relevant (Nas, jaz, etc), he didn’t use old concepts like Blueprint (krs-one album name), lost ones (lauryn hill’s song title) etc, and he can spit plus produce! His 1st 3 albums can be considered classics! this new track albeit its not what I usually listen to and is NOT RAP or HIP HOP is still a great work of artistry… jus not my cup of tea but dude maybe very well be 4 for 4! and last but not least he’s the only artist who came from scratch that jay couldn’t hold back!!!
I HATE PPL THAT GIVE INTERVIEWS AND DO NOT SAY ANYTHING BUT SAY THEY ANS ANY QUESTION
but hiphop is the new wrestling = FAKE jay dame were kickin it the other day
Another thought is… realistically how many dudes you know who can earn endless taxfree money on the street and been supposedly doin it since they was a kid that would sign over there life for a small percent? And Jay must have been tryin to shop hard if not he wouldn’t have been complainin about labels not signing him!
yo, dame real dude…him and jay shud be friends again.
But that nigga jaz, he a bitch.
Tellin nas info to get at jay…smh
anyone see jaz-o wishin jay-z happy birthday…so sad. look it up on youtube, it will make you realize how far a black man can fall by being unreal.
DAME STOP BITCHIN…HE THIS, HE THAT, “HE MADE IT THAT WAY” MAN UP!!!! U BITCH!!!!!!!!!!