"Hi Haters": Why Won’t Old Heads Respect Today’s Hip-Hop?
Article by Michael Partis
White Sun Glasses, “Get Silly,” and “Crank That” is just as Hip-Hop as “Smooth Operator,” “Fuck the Police,” or “Paid in Full.” It’s time for hatin-ass old heads to keep it “real ” with themselves and remember the past, but respect the present.
The Ice-T/Soulja Boy story has lead to a number of comments and discussion on one question: What is real Hip-Hop?
The topic of “Real Hip-Hop” has been one of the most popular subjects in Hip-Hop circles over the past few years. It has especially been spoken about as we moved into the new generation of Hip-Hop music. And as two sides of the argument emerge, and we see some very clear divisions: by region (”East Coast,” “The South,” or “Da Bay”); by rating (think about all your “Top 5″ list, or “Hottest MC’s” rankings); but most notability by age.
Last year in an interview KRS-One questioned if Kanye West was “Hip-Hop.” Currently, we have Ice-T claiming Soulja Boy “single handedly killed Hip-Hop.” Here we see old school rappers discrediting some of this generation’s most successful rappers.
The important thing to note is that KRS-One and Ice-T are NOT the only people criticizing today’s rappers. Talk to enough older people, read enough Hip-Hop websites and blogs, check enough online Hip-Hop music discussion boards, and you’ll find an overwhelming amount of folks who think that today’s rappers and their music is garbage.
Old:The Humpty Dance(1990) New:Crank Dat Soulja Boy(2007)
The question Hip-Hop fans of all ages have to ask is: What is “real Hip-Hop?” And more so, what do we mean by “real.”
In Hip-Hop culture, “keeping it real” meant to speak the truth—no matter how offensive, ugly, unpleasant, or raunchy it may be; it meant to stay true to the cultural practices of your family, friends, neighborhoods, and community; it meant to “do you” or to stay true to yourself (whatever you may be).
The desire to “keep it real” is what in some ways spawned what would be called “gangsta rap.” The music’s harshness is what either made people praise it or reject it. Some championed how the music conveyed the difficult reality of urban life and provided an authentic voice of those from it; some found the vulgarity, the misogyny, and the violence as uncalled for, and as a flawed representation that did not show all sides of urban Black life.
It is the gangsta rap version of “realness” that has become something that remains a requirement for a rapper to successful become a Hip-Hop star. There has to be something authentic about you. While what “real” is extremely subjective and ever-changing, too often it’s “hustlin,” “pimpin,” going to jail, or committing a violent act that makes you real. Gangsta rap became synonymous with this definition of “real” and serves as Hip-Hop’s quintessential example of realness.
But the other side to this idea of “realness” is Hip-Hop music’s origins.
FACT 1
Hip-Hop started as party music. It was made so you could enjoy yourself at a party, dance, and HAVE FUN.
FACT 2
Hip-Hop did NOT start with the MC. Hip-Hop did NOT start with “gangsta rap.”
No matter if your old school or new school, those are two historical facts every Hip-Hop fan should know.
Hip-Hop music originates from the DJ. Their job was to play hot songs to keep people dancing. Eventually, the DJ discovered to play the hottest part of the song, and to repeat the dopest part of the beat. To help keep the party going, to help keep people dancing, the DJ enlisted the services of someone who was witty, personable, and nice with words. This person became know as the “MC.” Over time the MC evolved from someone who just talked over the songs, to someone who could rhyme words while staying in rhythm the instrumental; a person who’s words were catchy enough to keep your attention, while they stayed on the beat. The catchy words were filled with jokes, shout outs, and word play. Eventually the MC’s would use literary devices such as symbolism, similes, and metaphors to “rap” better then everyone else.
This tradition developed into what we call “lyricism,” and it incorporated all the elements that would come to mark a great MC: the ability to tell a story, to be witty, to rock a party, to have a social message in your words, to make connections that others would not get, to verbally express ideas combining slang and conventional language. At its core, an MC’s lyricism should make them able to say things in a way we’ve never heard, and convey a message to the audience.
The critics of today’s Hip-Hop artist, and the Hip-Hop old heads seem to have remembered the “realness” they want from an artist, but forgot about what Hip-Hop’s started from: PEOPLE WANTING TO HAVE FUN. And it’s a damn shame that many of today’s younger Hip-Hop fans and artists seem to understand that better than the older one who is actually old enough to remember the beginning.
It is ironic, for some of Hip-Hop’s biggest figures and contributors came up in party Hip-Hop tradition. Nas was a pop-locker growing up; Jermaine Dupri came up in the 80’s as a break dancer; Diddy was a back-up dancer and party promoter before Biggie and Bad Boy blew up. It’s probably not a coincidence that you also rarely hear them hating (unless you count Nas’ whole “Hip-Hop is Dead” as hating; granted, it’s debatable).
If you want to say Soulja Boy isn’t as lyrical as like Big Daddy Kane or Rakim, that’s fair. If you want to say Kayne isn’t “real” like other gangsta rappers, it’s understandable. If you want to say mainstream rappers make music that lacks a political message or empowers the hood, it’s debatable…but still valid. But to say that Soulja Boy killed Hip-Hip, or that Kanye West ain’t Hip-Hop, your just a hater.
The lyrical ability of young rappers, the standard for what makes a good rapper, what makes a hot song, those are things that we can debate. But there is no debating that they ARE Hip-Hop.
Written by Michael Partis (Myspace)
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129 Comments so far
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Ice t is fuckin wack dat old ass nigga need 2 stop hatin on soulja boy…ice t needs 2 take his ass back on da law and order set and leave dat kid alone he still is a kid ppl
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omg is this really fuckin serious? i don’t care how many sophisticated words you want to put it in son, Soulja Boy is garbage. Period. We said this 100 times, Ice T was wrong for coming out his face sideways but he was tryna keep it real.
plus, i’m tired of people saying he’s just a “kid”. hes not going to be a kid forever. the boy got signed because he made a stupid dance that he put on youtube. he really wasn’t a real rapper to begin with anyway. at least the humpty dance son HAD some lyrics! Soulja Boy says one verse the whole fucking song!
so when this dude comes out 4,5 years from now with wack ass dances and songs…please lemme know what you gonna say then? because he has no lyrical skills and the only way hes going to look forward into making that paper is the business side…and who knows if its going to work. why?! do you know how many rappers, singers, actors, and actresses in this world who have a clothing, perfumes, footwear, and accessory lines?!
shit, the economy is in shambles and im not gonna waste another dollar on a kid rapper who wants to come out with BAPE look alikes ya digg. then theres the acting…he can always learn how to act otherwise he needs a good accountant and advisor. spend your money wisely. I have nothing else to say about Ice T. he can say whatever he wants.
if nas dropped them comments a lot will be agree in with him when nas said hiphop dead u lot said yes it is lol
Ice t was right
Nice write up but with the dumb it down brainwashed listeners, you are talking to a brick wall…
nice effort tho!!!
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soulja boy is ass but he didnt kill hip-hop money,fame,power…etc killed hip-hop people there nobody can really say wat hip-hop is but 2 me its the fact that rappers can put out trash using any gimmicks 2 sell records its very rare u heard truly great songs lik will smith summertime or dJ quik pitch in on a party now its sad how much money destroy hip hop
Great article and I agree with Michael Partis 100%. Whether you like SB or not he is hiphop so let him do his thing.
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soulja boy is keeping it real, he is who he is and doing his own music and came up with his own style, which is exactly da same ting ice.t bassically did, so ur bassically hating on soulja boy and people like him because they are doing wat they consider to be hip hop which is…
“FACT 1
Hip-Hop started as party music. It was made so you could enjoy yourself at a party, dance, and HAVE FUN.”
so anyway ice-t should respect wat his doing coz not everyone likd “gangsta rap” wen it first came out
souja boy isnt hip-hop and he just raps and he isnt even good at that. digital underground and souja boy both made songs with a catchy dance attached to them but digital underground could actually spit outside of that dancin shit they even had tupac down with them. but its not the same with these niggas they’re lyrically disabled thats all they can do is bounce around and thats the shit that makes them garbage.
Hip-Hop is creativity, and “Soulja Boy” is not hip hop, he’s rap. When you make real hip-hop you can be worthy of being called an “MC; Emcee” but tell me who is worthy of that definition. People now don’t have a good flow, don’t even care what they put out, they just do it to be famous.
I can’t believe in the days where we call Soulja boy hiphop, yeah ice t was wrong for saying eat a dick to a 17 year old but that doesn’t mean he was wrong how we went to Das EFX, CL Smooth, Black Moon, and come to GET SILLY. COME ON. ARE WE REALLY HAVING A DISCUTION ABOUT THIS
i realized in the black commmunity, the older generation always hates on the way the younger generation does things
in the 50s r&b music was called the devil’s music
around the 50s or the 60s a man singing he was considered gay
in the 80s and 90s gangsta rap was criticized for its violent message, saying nigga , calling women bitches, hoe, and etc.
today music is being criticized because of the use of the word nigga , people like al sharpton want music companies to censor hip hop artist , nas says hip hop is dead, conscience rap being criticized for not being real hip hop,
and rap music is also criticized for degrading black people
Get over it haters…Soulja Boy is HIPHOP. Not my thing though but still HIPHOP
Lol@Me Attempting To Reading That Whole Article .Hell Nah, All I Gots To Say Is.Hiphop Has Changed Over The Years, it’s Not Going Stay The Same Forever, it’s a New Day And a New Generation, Get Over It.
i realized in the black commmunity, the older generation always hates on the way the younger generation does things
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Oh please it’s not about race. The older generation always hate on the younger generation no matter what race or country we are talking about. The older generation always think what they did when they were young was much better then what the young generation do. It doesn’t matter if it’s music, movies, school, relationships or how to be a man/woman..etc.
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The fact that “Crank Dat”, “Get Silly”, etc. is party music is not discredits it from being Hip-Hop. It is the lack of thought in the lyricism, the creativity, and/or originality that these songs lack that does it.
Also, it’s not just down south music, but music in the north east lacks the same elements. All you hear about is gun busting , hustling, and b@%$&es.
You compare “Crank Dat” to “Humpty Dance”, well listen to the “Humpty Dance” song in comparison to “Crank Dat”. Not only that song, but also Kid and Play(party music), LL Cool J(like “Jingling Baby”, “Boomin System”, “Candy”), Kris Kross, Sugar Hill Gang, Father MC, Fresh Prince, Salt n Pepa, Mase……
Man the list could go on and on from every 10 year era in Hip-Hop up until about 2000 and ALL the music that was poppin was a million times better than the music that is put out today, party music or not.
Bottom line….artist like Souljah Boy, Bow Wow, V.I.C., and too many other unknown up and coming north east rappers to name WOULD NOT EVEN MAKE IT OUT THE GATE, PASS THE APOLLO….PLEASE PASS THE MIIIIICCC!!
P.S. “Real Hip-Hop doesn’t need a beat” ~Ice-T (Rhyme or Reason)
Picture them spittin that garbage accppella…it’s laughable
I think the same goes for real Hip-Hop tracks…you don’t need lyrics, you can just let that beat rock
This is a load of bullsH*T, all them niggas getting this wrong. What Ice is talking about is the character of the “Hip Hop music” and not the “Hip Hop game”. Props to the little nigga for getting his hustle on( he came from nothing and made it) so respect him for that, but his music is crap like garbage juice. Thats whats this shit is about, does hiphop music now reflect the once coucious , down to earth, grimy , blood letting , soul catching image of the streets?, no, it now reflects the money hungry, materialistic, disrespecting, anit have a dream but a dollar, f*ck everyone else ideals of of the majority which sad to say represents the youth today..blessings.
OHH come on!!
are they hip hop¿ If the answer is yes… then Nas was right!, Hip hop is Dead!
I mean…For example: The new song of Nas : Hero… for me thats real hip hop! WHY? because, it has lyrics (MOST IMPORTANT), flow, good beat, etc…
Compare Hero to crank that - soulja boy????
WHAT THE FUCK??
For me, soulja boy, is just CRUNK MUSIC, wich you enjoy it, but its not hip hop…
we can keep comparing all day long…
pac´s - changes vs. hurricane chris - a bay bay
jay z - dead presidents vs. get silly
Nas - One Mic vs. Lil wayne - lollipop
Interesting article.
Seems the author also forgot to mention that …
While Hip Hop started out as Party Music… the WORST MCs were NEVER allowed ANYWHERE NEAR the mic. At ANY time. So you HAD to have some real skill / talent to rock the crowd. But this ‘respect factor’ has been lost over time with the ‘commercialization’ of the ‘art form’.
Realistically, today’s youth seem to want to rap about ONLY cars, jewelry & money. Period. Yet have NO SKILL at the ‘art’ of being an emcee. Then label you as a ‘hater’ anytime you criticize them… because they are ‘PAID’.
So props to Souljah Boy for creating ’something out of nothing’. And providing a decent living for his family to prosper. He should be commended for that.
But I believe if SB put ‘just a little’ more pride & effort into his lyrics, this probably would not even be an issue for the majority of the fans who really like to see the ‘art form’ progress…. year after year. The Kids will continue to dance to it, while the OGs would “respect his hustle’ ALOT more and would ‘fully’ embrace him.
Seems to me, the majority of music fans who either just want to ‘get silly’, or just ‘get paid’ are the ones who seem to consistently say ‘STOP HATING’.
Although ICE-T may have tried to verbalize the ‘right message’, his ‘lack of diplomacy’ results in the ongoing debate we now see.
Just my $0.02 cents.
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Im really starting to hate hiphop . Fuck this “Why wont old heads respect Today’s Hiphop” . Why is having an opinion called hating these days. Ice-T didnt say he didnt respect today’s hiphop, he named a lot of young cats he was feeling. Ice-T just thinks Soulja Boy’s Music is garbage. He has that right to have a fuckin opinion . Everybody is not gonna like everybody’s music. It dont mean you hating, it dont mean you disrespecting.
I don’t know why people are making exscuses for wack music thats what is wack music you have good party songs and whatever but when some think is wack its wack right ? Chicken Noodle Soup ? Laffy Taffy ? Crack Dat ? Ay Bay ? Is this really Hip Hop come on for real ? You do have good party song like Nelly Hot in here and alot of other but all them song is wack and their should be no exscuses. Thats why old heads aint respecting that shit its not really old verus young is good verus wack and Soulja Boy, Hurricane Chris, T-Pain, Young Joc, Shawty Lo are garbage.
Ice-T vs. Soulja Boy “beef” is really making me feel lame for even following hip hop. On the heels of a really good Carter 3 album I dont want hip hop to shift into this bullshit and remind me how it started dying. This shit got me checking blogs less and listening to oldies again lol.
FUCK no sb is not hip hop
I agree wit #20 and #4.
What is the definition of Hip Hop?… Dont worry ill wait…
There is no actual definition for hip hop cuz everybody has there own deferent definition to it… I love hip hop the real hip hop the commons,the jay-z, nas, pac, biggie, kanye west, etc. and yes even wayne. Each artist has a swagg and on top of that good music it has a meaning and each artist has a verse or line that they can take from a song and change there ways or sometimes change there lives. Now im not hatin on sb for making money but the real question can listen to sb and get something out of it other than dance moves and some of that shit he talks about? Real hip hop to me is inspirational sayings… Does sb inspire u???
Somehow, the writer of the above article thinks that by pointing out Hip Hop’s “party” record history that he can easily dismiss and justify much of today’s bullshit music. Does dancing and having fun preclude 1 from being socially aware and our making substantive music. How about the complication of a rhyme pattern? Does that NOT factor into the ability of an MC? If the writer of this article or anybody else for that amtter can honestly compare Digital Underground’s “Humpty Dance” song and their breadth of work to Soulja Boy, then they have a fukkin’ problem.
Gimmicky records have been around since almost the beginning of Hip Hop and are obviously not limited to our genre of music @ all. In the 1970’s disc jockey Rick Dees made a novelty record named “Disco Duck” … that shit sold like crack before crack! Was the record successful? Very. Will you ever see it placed on your mother’s “Disco Dance Fever Classics” greatest hits CD? Probably not. Why? Because it was a gimmicky record NOT to be treated as the greatest disco record ever. It was fun and then it was done.
It’s very telling that the preceeding article’s headline starts with the catch phrase that pays “Hi Haters”. With Hip Hop, it’s always supposed to be all good and niggas can’t tell others that anything is trash because that is immediately written off as “hating”. Now, of course they are true haters - people who are natural contrarians that will invariably disagree with anything for the sake of being disagreeable - but it is dangerous to label any and all critiques as “hating”. We need to be able to have a dialogue that supports constructive criticism of this culture that we love, live, analyze and argue about on street corners, in barbershops and, increasingly, on blogs just like this 1 yo.
A large reason that people outside of Hip Hop don’t respect our artform is because WE have not only failed to institute, but have actively worked against setting our own artistsic standards. For instance, if a person can’t sing, whether or not you(the listener)are a trained vocalist, you can automatically tell if they are off key or tone deaf and can state that opinion decisively. With Hip Hop though, it’s all up for grabs and everything gets a pass. As an artist myself, that shit has fukked up the game and our legacy. This is not a regional or generational thing; this is about diversity in market representation and good ole quality control homie.
Now, more to the central question, I do think that Soulja Boy is Hip Hop, however, he and his kind of music are not nearly representative of our best and brightest talent. Applaud his persistence and his ability to connect with his audience, but do not make the mistake of of conflating temporary success with making a lasting impact, to do so would be criminally shortsighted. Real niggas already know.
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Ummmm… All that that bullshyt is comming from the south… Sorry. Man, I can’t wait untill this era is over!!!
Hip hop Changes
every decade is something new
Beats and lyrics dont even sound the same
take a song rap song from the 80s and compare it to a rap song from the late 90s it sounds different
and everyone bases soulja boy on crank dat
i bet have you niggaz in here never even heard any of hi newer shit..hes actually rappin now
the reason why you nigga iz hattin cause you probly never got the dance right when you tried it lol!!!!
Soulja Boy IS a rapper, he’s just a shit one. When the kid can speak a whole sentence without using the word “Nigga” and string a half decent verse together, then I will start taking him serious.
Personally when I first saw his video the first thought that came into my mind is; “Is this kid for real?” At first glance I’d mistake him for a clown. He dresses, acts and raps like one. Hiphop died in 2002. Quite possibly the only good album since Dre’s Chronic 2001 was Ice Cube’s - Laugh Now Cry Later. Because while it didn’t have the traditional old school Gangster rap beats, it DID have lyrical talent and still carried a message.
In a way Soulja Boy reminds me of Vannila Ice. They both had hit singles that EVERY one loved, and yet when their album dropped they were complete and utter trash, the only difference is, Vannila Ice was respected to some extent. On Ice Ice Baby, despite his awful dancing, he WAS lyrically Talented.
At the end of Ice T’s statement about Soulja Boy, he suggests that Soulja Boy should go fix bikes. Which is a refferance to Vannila Ice.
Just my 2 cents.
Now what I dont undastand is why people are saying soulja boy killed hip hop. Did they say the Cupid Shuffle killed hip hop. Noooo! Did they say Dem Franchise Boys killed hip hop Noooo! If youre not a kid youre not gonna undastand soulja boy. When bow wo came out did they say he killed hip hop NOOOO! So im just sayin soulja boys first album was targeted towards kids. If you didnt like it then pick up his new mixtape lol. But his mixtape is more lyrical whereas his debut was more just fun. Dont judge an artist on just one song. go to soundclick.com/souljaboy5 and listen to sum of his songs.
soulja boy wack as muthafucka that get silly shit all dat shit is garbage what grown ass man gone do them stupid ass dances it aint hatin the shit just garbabage
^^^^ thats why number 32 says
soulja boy innt for grown people…just cause you aint dancin to it dosent mean
you can hate…
you older niggaz need to grow up in here
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any editorial which defines someone as a hater is not legit. 2nd of all the DJ needed to talk over the breaks which automatically birthed the MC [which means master of ceremonies]. some DJs were MCs yes. but music was not all about partying…”the message” was about the hood and was one of the 1st widely known hip hop songs…run DMC had a rough look, so followed NWA, eric b & rakim and others. humpty dance wasnt even that valid…and sugarhill gang, which is considered the 1st hip hop song, was crossover from jump…
homie you painted a skewed vision of the hip hop culture…
Ice should just sit his old ass down. Ice is a wack ass rapper anyway. Ice is all about image. Niggas like Ice because of his hardcore pimp image but as far as being a talented rapper..get the fuck out of here with his wack ass no flow talk rapping style
SOULJA BOY DIDN’T KILL HIP HOP…..PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT MUSIC CHANGE ALL THE TIME….IT IS NOT GOING TO BE ALL HARD LIKE IT WAS BEFORE….PEOPLE ARE NOT ABOUT THAT THESE DAYS….PEOPLE JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN AND BE ABLE TO DANCE….SO EVERYONE NEED TO STOP HATING ON SOULJA BOY AND LET HIM DO HIM…..IF YOU DON’T LIKE HIS MUSIC DON’T BUY BUT STOP HATING
YEAH REALTALK IM WITH SOULJA BOY ON THIS ONE BUT ICE T IS REALLY AS DUMBASS. STRICTLY BECAUSE JUST THE OTHER DAY HE WAS ON TV AND HAD A RAP SCHOOL SHOW WITH THESE WHACK ASS RICH WHITE SCHOOL KIDS RAPPING THAT COULDNT RAP TO SAVE THEIR LIVES LOL. AND NOW HE COMING AT SOULJA BOYS CRANK THAT WHICH IS LIKE 3 YEARS OLD? SOULJA BOYS TRYING TO GET HARDER RIGHT NOW HE DROPPED THE TEEN OF THE SOUTH MIXTAPE FORGET THE CRANK THAT LETS SEE WHAT HES DOING CURRENTLY… OLD HEAD CANT THINK LIKE THAT LOL IM OUT
all of this hip-hop is dead needs to stop. all the mcs saying this ruined hip-hop that ruined hip-hop. the economy kiled hip-hop. people are choosing to download instead of buying. labels are buying there artist albums so it look like they are selling somtehing. people and technology killed hip-hop.
Soulja Boy didn’t kill hiphop. It all started with Eminem. He was the first dude who used the media. Realtalk. Plus the internet.. you can download everything you want on this shit. It’s crazy!
yall think souljaboy really spit it from his soul?
cuz thats real hiphop
jealosy!!!!!!!!! olds heads hate cuz they see the money comin in. buts its the same with football, basketball etc… they dont like it cuz how he makin money off of that, an olds aint doin that.?? ice t got money, but he still feels the need to show hie a tough guy by going at a 16 year old kid. i dont give fuck what any body says, 16 is 16!! WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE HIM RAP ABOUT SUPERMAN, OR GUNS AND DRUGS!!!
Humpty Dance LMAO Yall Old Fucks Dont Critsize Shit Like That Then You Fuckin Crazy Crank Dat Shreds On Sum Shit Like Dat As Much As I Dont like His Music He Had Me Crankin It No Homo Ice T You Eat A Dick Dried Up Fuck
kiled hip-hop. people are choosing to download instead of buying. labels are buying there artist albums so it look like they are selling somtehing. people and technology killed hip-hop
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But that goes for ALL MUSIC no matter genre. So if hiphop is dead then music is dead period…country, Rock, Pop..etc
SMH @ Nigels graphics. and on topic Hip hop was dead way before soulja boy so everyone stop hatin i respect his hustle.
and fuck the bulls hit with wtas real hip hop and wats not?? who gives a shit. its music, entertain ment. lrics beats, dance, it doesn’t matter, shit is fucked up any way. ALL THOSE REAL HIP HOPS EMCESS??? SHOW THEM 5 MILLION FOR A RECORD DEAL,A ND LETS SEE HOW FAST THEY KEEP THAT REAL HIP HOP INTACT. THIS HOLE INDUSTRY IS BULLSHIT ANYWAY.
soulja boy is not hot as a artist like that but ice t has no business saying what he said and he was wrong at that #1 how can soulja boy kill hip hop he aint even that big of an artist # 2 ice t is not even relevant in saying anything like that. soulja boy aint on my ipod i dont really pay attention to him but when u go to the club or somewhere else u wanna hear all that its not all about gangsta shit and this is 2008 not the early 90s that like saying he not supposed to rap cause he was born in a later time he just doing stuff thats hot now tryna get his money how can u hate on a young black man getting money hip hop cant be just one thing how it gonna be big if u cant expand to different kinds of hip hop thats betta for hip hop to see all these artist doing stuff. besides who is anyone of these dudes to say somebody killed hip hop or hip hop is dead when they not doing anything themselves
RealtalkNY is becoming to biast, every second story is on fuckin SOuljaboy.. or bowwow
my question is ” why do internet bloggers think they can disrespect hiphop vets ” ?
Fuck Nas He’s a attention whore dude is not even relevant in todays music. And as far as every bitch saying hip-hop is dead the eat a dick and get with the times. The south has beats and lyrycs for days so fuck the haters.
yo im mad people are really trynna say todays hip hop is even good. nigga rap music now fuckin sucks. i barely listen to any of this shit. i wanna see what people are goin to say when we have niggaz thas 30 rappin like soulja boy. i wanna see what the people are gonna say then. truthfully i dont care its only the new generation thats getting robbed
u cnt b serious ice-t is a legend he had a rite 2 say it
look now im nt hatin on soulja boi..nd im goin 2 ignore the argument ov the fact bout te content nd da real talk side of things
bt really nd truly soulja boi is nt hip-hop itis pop so fuk the arugments bot the over stufff thats wat solves it soulja boi is nt hip-hop period
the record labels signing these garbage rappers are the ones killing hip hop
I think that some people are not getting the point of how this hip-hop, rap or what ever, comes about. I think that Ice T is trying to convey the practices of these artist and how they come up with these lyrics. The past rappers discussed what was going on in there life at that time, not what they wanted to see happening. It was them telling a story. About life; past, present and future. Its NWA that shared stories about running from the police, Jay Z that discussed about his rise in hollywood, Ice T telling you about the Gangs in LA, Biggie who was famouse for tellin it how it was and what he went through b4 and after his start. I actually like Soulja Boy and his music, but is it hip hop? Was the “SUPERMAN” there 1st or did he create it? Either way is it hip hop? Is he telling a story or making one up? What can be verified by his lyrics? I remember that when Ice T came out with “COLORS” and “Hustler” people were a bit more intuned to the streets. When Jay Z told people to “brush yo shoulder off” you knew when to do it and for what reason. When do you do the “SUPERMAN”? When you hear the song. Either way, I can say that whether its hip hop or not, he is making $$$$$ and history. My question is do we draw a line as to what hip hop is, or do we just do what we have been doing for quite sometime. Allowing artist to make records and letting the listeners decide if its hip hop or not.
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Pharard
“Why Don’t Old Heads Respect Today Hiphop”…Because they don’t have to and why because it ain’t hiphop. What is hiphop i don’t know but i would love to know but at the same time it shouldn’t matter. All i know is that hiphop is not rap and rap is not hiphop. Rap is something that rappers do and hiphop is something that hiphop artist lives. Rap is known for being entertaining and hiphop is know for being real. And as long as our real hiphop artist blesses us with that real hiphop shit then hiphop will alway be real. I mean i can care less about entertainment being that all it is doing is making rappers more rich. And there a difference between being wealthy and being healthy. And as we know hiphop was born to be healthy and rap was raised to be wealthy.
I think we as hiphop fans should wake up and realize that hiphop is not related to rap. But in certain cases rappers tend to describe themselve as hiphop artist. And in my opinion i think they say that just to cover up all the bad thing they say and do. It’s like rap being the negitive form of hiphop and hiphop being the positive form of rap as far as the way they rap and betray themselve. But to me it seem like hiphop and rap don’t get along as you can see with the soulja boy and Ice T situation. And at this point it seem like rap music is winning and beating out hiphop. it seem like alot of hiphop fans are generally turning there back away from hiphop and accepting rap. But then again rap at this point does not exist to me at all. There only one and that hiphop and the one thing that people are forgetting is that hiphop gave birth to rap. I also think that people are forgetting where hiphop started and how famous and legendary it is. And only if us as hiphop fans can support it then the success and strangth of hiphop will continue to grow. And people wouldn’t have to say that it dead and disrespect it like that. But then again hiphop could be dead it die then it reborn again generation after generation. Im guessing that this is it time where it dies and then in the future it reborn and it just keep on doing the same thing.
But time has changed and the art form of hiphop is easily fallin apart for the simple fact that nobody is supporting it. And as rap music grows and get more popular more attention more appreciation and more respect then hiphop from hiphip fans. Then that when i would say that hiphip is dead and that would be very very shameful. But i would never forget where hiphop came from and how it changed many lifes which rap never did. Hiphop to me was born by origin and ethnicity and rap music followed up but in a different way and form. Somebody once told me that hiphop meant that our God is real i don’t know if that true. But if it means our God is real then that means that it has something to do with being real. And i guess that what it mean not saying that it true tho.
hiphop has always been about staying new and fresh
if u dont get it, your not supposed to
soulja boy is wack, but he is hiphop
his dancing, his lyrics, his sillyness
has been done b4 him, and will be done after him
why did he become the poster boy for this, who knows
kris kross dance was to jump, and they dressed backwards
old heads didnt like or understand it
hammer dances, wasnt lyrical, and had silly pants
just cuz its wack, doesnt mean it aint hiphop
80% of hiphop is wack anyway, r and b keeps it realer
thats the problem
man who the fuck is Michael Partis?, get this goof outta here..
who are you son? Ice T is an OG, the OG on your block is allowed to slap around the young-guns on the block, its part of growing up,
no matter what culture it is, even on godfellas when Pesci shot Spider in the foot then shot his ass up for talkin back thats the way shit works..
Soulja boy is an internet gangster, no respect
You cannot deny the fact that Ice-T has seriously affected the state and upheavel of Hip-Hop. Anyone who would like to dispute this can see that Ice-T has remained relevant for decades in Hip-Hop. These ridiculous commercial clowns barely last a year. Anyone who disrepects the older heads of Hip-Hop and tries to deny the fact that they did an incredible amount to uplift Hip-Hop doen’t get real hip hop. It is one thing to have fun, which is the basis of hip-hop. But it is another thing to be so commercial that you tear down an art form that many love. To do that is gross to me. It makes us as a culture look bad. Think about it, there are hip-hop songs that will be relevant in a decade. There are relevant people who will be relevant. Is Soulja Boy really one of them? Look at the franchise boys and all of those disgraces to hip-hop. They totally build themselves up to be commercial so when their commercialization runs out, they are left irrelevant. Lastly is great MC’s like Redman, MethodMan, Raekwon, Slick Rick, Rakim, etc. struggle to remain relevant…how do u think idiotic rappers like the ones we have infecting hip-hop today will remain relevant. I’m glad hip-hop is going underground. Hopefully it will reemerge in a few years as an art form respected as much as it once was.
P.S. Soulja Boy is not an MC…he is an idiot that is destroying the farbic of hip-hop and turning it into a joke. PLEASE,YOU SIMPLE SIMON ASS PEOPLE,STOP SUPPORTING HIM AND OTHER IDIOTS THAT ARE DESTROYING HIP-HOP
real hiphop heads DONT listen to SB so how the fuck is that hiphop?
You seen CNN , old white bitches doin the crank that at there kids soccer games, kids in the burbs listen to SB to feel “hoood”
SB is POP not Hiphop, fuck outta here with that shit,
u know how stupid ya’ll sound
ice t made rock albums right
so if ice t is soooooooo hiphop
then why would he feel the need to comment on soulja boy
thats in his opinion is wack?
if soulja boy wasnt hiphop, then ice t wouldnt care
idiots
yes soulja boy is wack, hiphop does not equal good music
hiphop equals your life and culture
the culture soulja boy was raised in
IT’S FUNNY…WHEN ICE-T SAYS SOULJA BOY IS WACK, PPUL SAY OLD HEADS ARE HATING. YET, WHEN LIL WAYNE SAYS “FUCK ALL DJS”, NEVERTHELESS, HE’S EMBRACED AND SELLS A MILLIE IN A WEEK. YA GOTTA LUV THA DOUBLE STANDARD…
Let me start off by sayin that I font think Hip Hop is dead..but Soulja Boy is ass…I’m tirin of niggas sayin Soulja Boy is a kid…Does that give his lyrics a pass? Niggas wasn’t sayin Bow Wow & Romeo was killin Hip Hop…….Lil Wayne started off as a young n…he wasn’t as ass as Soulja Boy….Soulja Boy is wack…How can u consider someone a hot rapper if their lyrics is garbage…Nigga whole style is wack…far as I’m concerned he in da same category as them Laffy Taffy muthafuckas…
Don’t you fools get tired to constantly say that hiphop is dead? How many times each day do you say some ish like that? It’s annoying to listen to ya’ll whining about hiphop is dead and try to put the blame on certain artists that you don’t like. I’m not into Soulja Boy’s music but he’s part of hiphop. Hiphop is and will always be around. Hiphop is not dead and will never die.
@ Michael Partis
Your argument is all over the place. “Get Silly” and “Crank Dat” are on the same level as “Paid In Full?” Then: we can debate SB not being as lyrical as Big Daddy Kane and Rakim!?!?
Then this statement: This tradition developed into what we call “lyricism,” and it incorporated all the elements that would come to mark a great MC: the ability to tell a story, to be witty, to rock a party, to have a social message in your words, to make connections that others would not get, to verbally express ideas combining slang and conventional language
What are you trying to prove? They can be considered Hip-Hop all they want, the fact remains that their level of creativity is on a very low standard. But overall, I think you missed the point of Ice-T’s last response
Reverse psychology got em’ scared to say when shit is whack/out of fear of being called a hater/imagine that!
-Talib Kweli
stop and think people i know its hard for soulja boy fans. this shit is not about old hip hop heads and young hip hop heads.
its about trash ass rappers and their fans vs rappers with skill and their fans.
you dont hear older rappers coming out the mouth sideways about saigon, joell ortiz, joe budden and some other cats that are relatively new.
its cuz they got skills.
Becuase the new school sucks. And taht’s a 18 year old sayin that. T is right. After all the hard work that rappers like Pac, Big, Jay, T, Rakim, Nas, Wut Tang, Cube and all them cats put into the game, our generation makes music that basicallt spits in the face of all our greats. Yea, if it wen’t for them we wouldn’t have what we have, so we need to carry on tradition. It gets to a cretain point when al the crank that, wipe me down, get silly shit nneeds to stop. Not even stop, but you need to mix up your music better. Cuz the old school had dances and all that stuff but it was secondary to the real art of the music.
LOL..topics about what is real hiphop don’t make any sense because we’ll never get along. My definition of hiphop is not going to be the same as someone else definition. It’s like beauty it’s subjective.
there are young heads that are in Soulja’s boy age bracket that don’t spit like that… so it’s not about an age thing about “oh he’s 17 years old” If i am not mistaken Corey Gunz, Peter’s Gunz son is 17 and he spits fire for an example!!! good music vs wack music has no age. And his music is wack music. Ice T was wrong however in attacking him personally. I would of said of this “the lil nigga is making his money but i am not feeling his music” and left it at that….
1st off, I rap….and i’m lyrical with mine. Truth be told, i dont be wantin to hear that lyrical shit all the time. lol. There are other elements to hip hop beside being the nicest MC, most of the pioneers in the hip hop culture weren’t MC’s at all! If you think Soulja Boy is garbage than that’s your opinion, but if you go back and listen to what some of you consider “real hip hop”, you would notice that there are alot of similarities. When did creating songs just to make people dance NOT become hip hop???? Especially when you had songs that go “Oh la Oh la Ay…and Shimie shimie coco puff”….i see no difference! LET HIM DO HIM…..HE FEEDING HIS FAMILY….AND HALF OF THESE COMMENTERS ARE RAPPERS WHO FEEL THEY CAN DO BETTER LOL!!!
If you ask most of these lil rappers, half these kats don’t even know about their hip hop history. That’s a problem right there. They’re not in it for the love, just the dollars. Ask anyone of the old heads growing up why they got into hip hop and they’ll say at SB’s age they knew hip hop.
I’m all for fun, dancing, and whatever, but don’t let one type of rap dictate the game!
In my opinion, if you look at the elements of hip hop, SB does not fall into any element.
How did we go from XClan, Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five to Soulja Boy?
They are trying to dumb us down folks, wake up!!
The definition of hiphop could and will alway change and that not in my opinion that just if it has a define.
these joints r crazy
http://hypebeast.com/2008/06/fall-of-rome-x-nike-air-force-1-lows-afiv/
Didn’t Das EFX make this track back in the 90s to tell all in their opinion all the garbage rapper at that time what “Real hiphop” was all about according to them?
Das Efx: “Real Hiphop” Check out Fat joe in the video..LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxtIm9D8I-o
ice t is right… 100% right
2 THE BLOGGER THAT POSTED THIS. White Sun Glasses, “Get Silly,” and “Crank That” is just as Hip-Hop as “Smooth Operator,” “Fuck the Police,” or “Paid in Full.” It’s time for hatin-ass old heads to keep it “real ” with themselves and remember the past, but respect the present.
HOW CAN U COMPARE GET SIILY N CRANK DAT 2 F THE POLICE N SMOOTH OPERATOR. THOSE LAST 2 ARE CLASSICS AND THE OTHER IS BS. NO.2 OLD SCHOOL AINT HATIN. ITS CALLED CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. THE NEW SCHOOL IS WACK. THE NEW GUNZ U SHOULD PROMOTE IS PAPOOSE, JOELL ORTIZ, SAIGON, CORY GUNZ, JUICE FOM BLACKWALLSTREET. LYIRCS OVER SWAG NIGGA. AND SKILLS OVER SWAG. U CAN HAVE SKILLS N BE BROKE. SWAG U GET AFTER U GET MONEY. NEW SCHOOL WOULD GET THEIR ASS WHOOPED
Co-sign #63, i usually enjoy your posts Michael but really there was no point to this one
“Why Won’t Old Heads Respect Today’s Hip-Hop?”
Wasnt even answered.
This isnt Wikipedia LOL we dont need you to explain to us was hip-hop is. (Well most of us dont)
Ive never even heard of “Get Silly” but if you put “Crank That” in the same category as Eric B. and Rakims classic material, theres something wrong with you.
i’m getting so tired of people calling people haters for having an opinion different than their own. it’s not HATIN’!!! We all know hip hop hasn’t been solely abt the DJ in almost 30 years. People would rock the mic and now lyrics are REALLY important. So stop fronting. SB is just not that good. Stop saying the game has changed. The game is pretty much the same, the fans in the stands have changed, the owners have changed, the commissioner has definitely changed. People are being pimped out and we are accepting it as Hip Hop.
But why can’t people look at this as a call to step your game up. Hip Hop is a serious art form and should be treated and respected as much. This has less to do with “Street Cred” and more to do with the lyrical ability of the artist regardless of the TOPIC!!! Lupe rocked Kick Push and it has to do with Skateboarding… that was still hip hop.
We wouldn’t big up an actor that just stepped on the game and was sub-par but looked great on the screen and say well there have been bad actors in the past. No!! We would say that was trash, go take some classes, step your game up and then come back out. We wouldn’t give out the academy b/c they look good or are marketable. REAL TALK!!
A.) Money isn’t everything…
Did it ever occur to majority of you that Hip-Hop was never about making money, it’s about the fucking music itself.
Maybe that’s the reason for the title of this article…
Old heads are making music because they love music. You barely see any of that in this decade and “old heads” can point that shit out.
B.) 4 Elements of Hip-Hop is Break Dancing, Mcing, DJing, and Graffitti,labeled down in history. Also yeah Hip-Hop allows creativity,diversity & originality. There’s nothing creative, diverse and original about Soulja Boy’s music.
C.) Look up on You-tube, giving you many documentations about the History of Hip-Hop. Some of you were mis-educated on what Hip-Hop is. I thought the majority of you and the person who wrote the article would include ALL the elements.
If you all don’t know that, I don’t know what to say.
D.) I don’t know if Snap & Crunk were emerged from Hip-Hop, but I know Underground Hip-Hop, Alternative Hip-Hop, Consciencous Hip-Hop & New-Jack Swing are types of music was emerged from Hip-Hop. Snap & Crunk, not to sure about that.
Another thing…what’s the point of this article? I’m not hating, this is just a waste of words
Spoken very well. I totally agree. You cannot question if artists are Hip-Hop if you truly understand the history and origins of the form. You can, as mentioned, debate an artist’s lyrical ability and if they have a hot song. You can also debate if they are a “good” rapper or not. Well said.
It aint even bein about lyrical. Cuz there are plenty of old school hits that were not the most lyrical tracks. It’s just about the overall quality of the music. Simple beats, simple lyrics, simple production. When you look at record sales that should be an indication. It’s not all about sales but come on people. Thers gotta be a reason why people like Kanye, Wayne, Jay Z, TI, Jeezy and Ludacris are still able to sell records. And sorry, even tho Lil Wayne went platinum, he still don’t solve the problem. Let me put it like this. When the majority of rap fans today are calling Lil Wayne the best rapper alive, hip hop is in trouble. Wat haapened to Luda, wat happened to Jay, wat about Nas, Talib Kweli, The Game and everyone else that is more consistant with they craft.
I think it’s funny how your argument seemed to be only one sided. Apparently you believe that the quote on quote “old heads” aren’t respecting today’s hip hop. Well, that’s because it isn’t Hip Hop Michael. Everything displayed on BET isn’t a representation of our HIP HOP culture, in fact I think BET does a poor job at displaying real talent on it’s program, but I suppose you can’t blame Bobby anymore for that; Viacom has owned this syndication for a few years now.
My definition of HIP HOP is artists with lyrical content, and a strong message behind the music, It should make you feel a sense of proudness and self love, something you would feel when you play an old Earth Wind and Fire album, or Marvin Gaye album.
As we are all aware Hip Hop was rooted in the harsh ghettos of NEW YORK CITY and hundreds of other ghettos across the region. The artists of that time discussed social and economic injustices, their political stance, adversities, hardships, and provided solutions to these problems as well, (some may have been violent solutions; such as Ice T’s famous killer cop track. but, it gave people a sense of upliftment and empowerment, because he did something that was unheard of at the time.
The music today reminds me of blackploitation because it’s not providing any way out of this brain washed way of thinking. We are living in a time when our people are at very terrible positions economically, and health wise; with blacks being the top ethnic statistic to have a growing number of AIDS cases in young woman and men every year; should raise an awareness amongst us, but instead we have these artists portraying PIMPS in their videos, which has been done a billion times over, and fools rapping about get silly….NO! we have been “silly” for long enough it’s time to get EDUCATED and start preparing our children for the future that is ahead of them, there is nothing wrong with entertaining but I think it’s more important to EDUTAIN, prepare our children for this mad world that’s ahead of them, don’t set them up. So, when I hear these artists it upsets me because I am not proud of what they are presenting to the world as talent. Anyone can go in a studio and make a club song, lets make timeless music, that will apply 10/20/even 30 years from now.
The first thing everybody need to do including me is to stop being self-righteous on explaining what “real hip hop is” that’s the first step….because it will be a neverending tug a war on what this culture is really about. you know who everyone should ask is Afrika Bambaataa or Kool Herc. because whatever they say what real hip hop is we have to acknowledge it and respect it to the point we can’t say jack shit about it cause we can’t. whatever they say what hip hop is we gotta follow it because they started this shit. we can’t say shit people. I wanna see somebody tell me they gotta debate with Herc and Bambaataa on what hip hop is. yall youngins gotta recognize it like this. if yall ain’t feelin it then too bad cause we all CAN’T SAY SHIT ABOUT IT, NO ARGUMENTS, NOTHIN. THEY WAS SONNIN ALL OF US CATS ON THAT SHIT THEY FATHERED THIS SHIT. EVEN IF YALL FAVORITE MC’S, RAPPERS TRY TO ARGUE, THEY CAN’T SAY SHIT EITHER WHETHER THEY HAD A DOPE CAREER OR MADE ALBUM CLASSICS OR BROUGHT SOME NEW SHIT TO THE TABLE. IT’S THE WAY IT IS PEOPLE.
First of all Michael Partis an eat part a dis dick! I bet he’s a white boy hip-hop “expert” who grew up listening to MC “BLAH…..(insert penis ride here) & the crew”. That will never be hip-hop! I don’t care what you wanna try and explain or prove. No amount of statistics, fun facts, quotes, references etc will ever make it so! I grew up on hip-hop! Hip-Hop is beautiful, intelligent, dope, weighty. relevant, creative, substantial, clever, or any other number of things of value. That’s what hip-hop is and always was about, value! This, Soulja Boy music ain’t worth shit! I wouldn’t agree with Ice T sayin that he single handedly killed hip-hop cuz Hip-Hop ain’t dead and will never die, Like Lupe said the lime just ain’t shining on the dope right now. D4L and all them niguz came with that bullshit before Soulja Boy was even on a radio station. Radio is fuckin up Hip-Hop, execs, and programmers are fuckin up hip-hop Not artist. They make bullshit but they just gettin in where they fit in!
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and Fabolous killed hip hop if you wanna blame anybody!
He made the shit look so effortless way back in the 90’s that everybody and they moms started doing it!
Or blame BIG for bringin that materialism into the game, or Jay for continuing it or……….You can go on and on and on I bet nobody up here is buying CD’s though or calling the stations! If you don’t like it change it point blank!
Cosign Shine95! Psychmajor and Hip-Hp was not fuckin started to enjoy yourself at no party! Hip-Hop started as a form of expression of what was relevant! It just so happened that the samples used were uptempo but listen to what is being said versus the time for which it represents and what was acceptable and decent! That was Expression, truth and decency! You couldn’t say half the shit you can now, that coupled with an uptempo rhythm may seem to a layman like party music but they wasn’t talkin about popping champagne and piping chicks in it’s inception and they was doin that since my pops was comin up listenin to the Chi-Lites,Delfonics, Barry & Marvin!
Look, i dont know whats wrong wit yall people out there. Soulja is doin what is hot in our era. In this era of music dat shit sells. Ice T was flow was lame as shit too. But he did and said what was hot in his era. Soulja boi is makin more money off a got damn dance than all of us put together make in a year. So all those hatin on him need to shut the hell up too. Soulja boi aint got lyrics at all. But obviously you dont need that to make money in the industry nowadays do you. He din sign himself so, he is not the one killin hip hop. It is the old heads signing these young niggas that is killin hip hop. Da same niggas yall are claimin that was hip hop own these got damn labels and are signing these niggas. Get mad at them.
#85 navy nigga’…”soulja boy is doing what is hot in our era. In this era of music that shit sell”….you must be out yo mind.
Imagine there was no internet,no youtube,no downloading,no ring tones
How many of you would have gone out and spent your hard earned money to buy SouljaBoy´s music???????
We used to buy Ice T´s music so stop disrespecting the veteran.
I dont care if SB is HipHop or not
The question is,is he any good with music?
You know as well as i do that he is garbage
Imagine there was no internet,no youtube,no downloading,no ring tones
How many of you would have gone out and spent your hard earned money to buy SouljaBoy´s music???????
We used to buy Ice T´s music so stop disrespecting the veteran,a real artist who made real music
I dont care if SB is HipHop or not
The question is,is he any good with music?
You know as well as i do that he is garbage
a lot of people are confusing hip/hop with pop nowadays.
ask Kool Herc and Afrika Bambaataa.
Soulja Boy aint shit! I don’t care if its 2008. 10 years from now what will this lil nigga be doin? He don’t give a damn about the culture that all the greats strted. He just says fuck em and keeps makin money. All he wants is money. Money people. Money. Money killed the shit. But today in 08 its really a fuckin shame. I’m tired of people tryin to defend this lil nigga. Like Kanye fuckin West. Wat the fuck he gotta say. His last album was a classic and he gonna support Soulja Boy? Wat the fuck is that. Talkin about this the golden age for today. There aint no more more golden age. The 90s was it. This a age of bullshit. 25 years from now, this gonna be the time when people say the music was garbage. Hopefully the next generation comin in the next ten years can save this shit. It’s gettin outta hand man. Call me a hater. Yes. I’m hatin on these young niggaz fuckin up the music and culture. I fuckin said it. See me people. Say somthin. I’m fuckin tired to the point where we just need to give it up. If ya’ll gonna continue to support niggaz like Shaty Lo, Soulja Boy, Dj Unk and all them lame niggaz then fine. But remember that yall fucked it up. It aint a southern thing, a west thing, a ny thing or a midwest thing. It’s an us thing. Black people. All over the country. How we gonna make the excuse that it’s 2008 for bad music. I don’t give a fuck what year it is, if your music is trash, your music is trash. Hot garbage. Piece of bullshit we call hip hop today. I aint that old. I’m on ly 21 and I don’t like 90 percent of the shit out today. There’s always been shitty music sicne the 80s and shit, but not like in our time. We bein OVERTAKEN by the trash. Shout out to the real rappers like Jay, Nas, Busta, Bun B, Common, Lupe, Snoop, and Luda that keep the music and culture alive. But the trash we have today erases the quality we have. Jean Grae will never see plat, Talib Kwlei and all them other real fire spittin cats. But the shit is over. HIP HOP IS DEADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!
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Did Ice-T sell a lot of records when he was doing his thing in the 80s and early 90s?
to answer your question Sert, yes he did….Ice was doing his thing back in those days…..peep homie in Breakin to get another aspect of his style before he gangster it up….or better yet, GOOGLE THAT ISH!
Copy/Paste my comment from another blog:
Being 17 doesn’t have nothing to do with it…..there were kats back in the day who came out at a younger age spitting Knowledge like they’re professors in college…..just to name 2, remember Wu Tang affiliate Shyheim?…..what about Chi Ali?….I’m 23, and even I can tell you when looking back at those days compared to now, our youth has (or in the process of) really evolving into dummies, when it comes to Hip Hop….
This is giving all listeners of this music a bad rep, and what i mean by that is, if someone who doesn’t listen to this music see this dumb ish on, lets say MTV, and then goes outside and see the typical “Urban listener/Hip Hop’er” that person is going to quickly assume that he or she listens to that type of ish, when they might be into Madlib, Flying Lotus, Moka Only, hell even Frank Sinatra…..
I’ve been in this situation many times, and it pees me….the dumb are taking over this art form and it needs to stop….
yeah i know my comment is long, sorry about that, lol
It’s like this…Souljaboy aint Hip Hop so whats the point on frontin on him.
WHY ARE YALL SO FUCKIN HARD HEADED FOR GOD SAKES!!!! HIP HOP STARTED OUT FOR THE SOLE-PURPOSE OF DANCING!!! THE FIRST HIP HOP SONG (rapper’s delight by the Sugarhill Gang) WAS TALKIN BOUT “i say the hip, hop, the hip, the hippy to the hip hip hop and ya dont stop”… WHEN THEY SAID “HIP HOP”, THEY WERE REFERRING TO MOVEMENT!! WHEN AFRICAA BAMBATAA NAMED THIS GENRE OF MUSIC “HIP HOP”, IT BECAME THE GENRE THAT EMBODIED DANCING AND “KEEPIN IT REAL”. LISTEN TO “PLANET ROCK” BY AFRICA BAMBATAA, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT HIP HOP SONG OF ALL TIME… IT IS ALL ABOUT DANCINGGG!!!!!!!!! YALL WILL NEVER LEARN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hiphop is not only about partying is about education street and motivation.
But souljah boy is only about fun partying and all.
As my man joell ortiz would say: do me a favor and accidently step on white sun glasses. We don’t wear those over here.
look, i don’t think ice t was trying to say that hip hop today is garbage and that they had none of that shit back in the day.. the real factor is, compare the 2 examples given above, u can cleary say that the older track even though it could be argued they are of similar style, took more effort to produce than soulja boy.
i think it just sucks how crappy music are constantly getting a lotta radio plays while artists with real talent aren’t being given enough exposure. i would say, it was pretty much divided back in the day making time for gangsta rap, conscious hip hop and party music.
i mean.. u cannot seriously bump crank dat and go - yo man.. this beat is ill.. i can hear the hard effort the artist put to make this track.. i agree, experimentation is nice but.. cme on, just be real on this. u cna have fun and whatnot.. but there’s not enough music out there that teaches the youth..
im 15 years old and trust me souljaboys str8 kaka dodo, the shit is whack, even my little sis hates dat shit!!!
SB- eat a d###
fu#k Kanye 2
Soulja boy is trash….the only people that actually listen or buy soulder boys music have to be either in high school or younger…yea the song was catchy and made people dance but i could never really actually consider buying a souldier boy album. I am 25 years old and i really didnt listen to guys like KRS 1 but i respect him and his music cause it made sense but it seems like with people like soldier boy and all these other new artist all u need is an ok beat a stupid dance and a bunch of pre pubescent kids to like your music now and ur a hit
this whole argument is bullshit thats why sells are down because of shit like this hip hop is so large but have no control respect or sense of business come on guys be a man take a comment on the chin and do it movin RESPECT
First off Souljah Boy is NOT Hip Hop. Hip Hop and Commercial Rap is two different animals and Souljah Boy is a Commercial rapper (and a bad one at that) Second off I’m tired of young fans that have no real history saying old head need to sit down. it’s those old heads that created a lane for your young dumb ass to go down. Why is Hip Hop the ONLY genre that does not respect it’s elders and does not honor it’s foundation? Why is Hip Hop the Only genre that wnats to put it’s vets out to pastuer instead of learning from it’s vets? R&B does’nt do it Ron Isley debuted in 1954 and here it is 2008 and my daughter listens to Mr. Big like he just came out. Country Music doesn’t do it. Country fan STILL buy Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton and these are young fans buying them. Gospel doesn’t You listen to Kirk Franklin in Church but if the put on a old Clark Sisters song you will get up just as fast and praise. Hip Hop has become too commercial and too disposable. Souljah Boy is played on the radio 50 times a day with his garbage yet you got to pull teeth to get Clear Channel, Radio One and other’s to play Jean Grae, Mos Def or Common. The formula is simple. If you play it enough …people will tolerate it to the point that they think it’s good. It’s not good…it’s just repetative.
First off Souljah Boy is NOT Hip Hop. Hip Hop and Commercial Rap is two different animals and Souljah Boy is a Commercial rapper (and a bad one at that) Second off I’m tired of young fans that have no real history saying old head need to sit down. it’s those old heads that created a lane for your young dumb ass to go down. Why is Hip Hop the ONLY genre that does not respect it’s elders and does not honor it’s foundation? Why is Hip Hop the Only genre that wnats to put it’s vets out to pastuer instead of learning from it’s vets? R&B does’nt do it Ron Isley debuted in 1954 and here it is 2008 and my daughter listens to Mr. Big like he just came out. Country Music doesn’t do it. Country fan STILL buy Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton and these are young fans buying them. Gospel doesn’t You listen to Kirk Franklin in Church but if the put on a old Clark Sisters song you will get up just as fast and praise. Hip Hop has become too commercial and too disposable. Souljah Boy is played on the radio 50 times a day with his garbage yet you got to pull teeth to get Clear Channel, Radio One and other’s to play Jean Grae, Mos Def or Common. The formula is simple. If you play it enough …people will tolerate it to the point that they think it’s good. It’s not good…it’s just repetative. Peace
Bottom line is… ICE T WAS WRONG FOR TELLING SOULJA BOY (kid or not) TO EAT A DICK!!!
True enough when I heard Soulja Boy’s song I was like what the hell is this doing on the radio… but i feel that way about alot of songs that are played on the radio. Lets just face it- ANYBODY CAN MAKE A SONG THESE DAYS!! Im not here to debate whether or not Soulja Boy killed hip hop but what I will say is that if ppl truly believe that hip hop is dead… SOULJA BOY is not the one who killed it! There are rappers out there who have been in the game for years and still havent made consistent records worth purchasing… worth downloading??? Maybe a song or two but if you cant put out an entire record where every song is bangin’ then you fall into the same boat as Soulja Boy! I am pretty sure when “Laffy Taffy” came out we was all like “For real? We singin bout candy now?” But for the club it was the shit! Just like Crank dat Soulja Boy or Superman or whatever it was called!
But gettin back to ICE T dissing Soulja Boy which is what this really is about: I just feel like ICE T should be more mature than that to fall into these lil phases that some rappers go thru dissing other rappers. ICE T is a grown ass man who got to enjoy his time he had rapping and now he’s doing his own thing on Law N Order so for him to hate on somebody elses game is so whack til its not even funny!!! Regardless if Soulja Boy was 25 or 35, you still dont tell a nigga to eat a dick bc for one thats some homo shit and 2… its childish!!!
Plain and simple ICE T’s behavior was immature and he could have handled this situation more maturely than he did!!! OH yea… and the fact that ICE T made a second response video makes him look that much better (hella sarcasm there!) I could see some shit like this from a 17 year old but a 50+ year old??? Come on man wheres respect for the ppl who look up to u???
COME ON PEOPLE!!! Is this really what it comes down to??? LOL
We all need to just stop debating on what hip hop is and face the facts: HIP HOP has changed! Although I have never grasp the concept of what hip hop truly is, i do know that the same kind of music that used to come out back in the day aint the same garbage we listen to today!!! You got ur good and u got ur bad… but thats with everything: Actors, singers, dancers, lyricists, athletes, cities, stores (LOL)!! But you dont see us ranting and raving about eating dicks now do you? ICE T may be mad that hip hop is “dead” so to speak but why the hell did he feel the need to take it out on Soulja Boy??? Just like Babigurl87 said, it was song that came out way before him that sucked lyrically but hell Bow Wow ass wasnt talkin bout shit in his song either when he first came out- talkin bout some puppy love and shit! What about the Ying Yang twins and all beat the pussy up beat the pussy up?? When i think of hip hop i think of real songs that have meanings to them, that tell a story!! All rappers dont fall under that genre… just cause you come out with a rap song dont make it part of hip hop… soulja boy falls into like a crank music genre (lol) its music that you can dance to in the club, something that gets you crunk! But those who do fall up under hip hop such as ICE T and LL and Tupac and Biggie… well those arent really crank songs but lyrically they are the shit!!! I am not really familiar with any ICE T songs but Im sure that by the way he was talkin they were the shit to some ppl once upon a time but the snippets that I have heared arent the shit to me bc i dont prefer that hard gangsta rap??!! PPl have a diff taste for diff music so ICE T get over the fact that Soulja Boy’s song was a hit… not everybody hates the boy like you!!! Get a life and stop wasting your time dissing young ass cats!!! That only makes you look bad bc ur too old to be pulling childish shit like that!!!
And ppl… lets just drop this whole thing… no matter what we do or say ppl are still going to be allowed to come out with shit that doesnt make sense for the life of it!!! I mean come on.. have yall heard that new shit “Whats up wit you cookie, whats up wit you cookie???” I mean thats not even dance material!!! lmao!! Let me stop… IM OUT!!!
wow!!
SOULJA BOY SUCKS!!!
ICE T WAS WRONG FOR SAYING EAT A DICK!!!
Plain and simple anybody can get a record deal long enuff to get their shit heard on the radio… dont get mad at the ppl who created the shit… get mad at the radio stations dumb enuff to play it and the dumbass record labels who sign them!!!
Props to this article by Michael Partis, this is the truth !
fuck ice t dat nigga cant rap plus u OLD AS FUCK!!!