January 14th, 2008
Murdered You On Your Own Sh*!
Throughout his career, Hov has murdered many on their own shit. But what happens when a rapper, answers the rapper, who answered his song?
I’ve been listening to Joey’s MM3 for about a month now, and after hearing the track “Talk 2 Em”, I couldn’t help but dig in the crates for this throwback.
So, after listening to the track, did Hov murder Joey on his own shit? Or did Joey all but hold his own against Hov?
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January 14th, 2008 at 10:26 am
first, now ima go read it…
January 14th, 2008 at 10:32 am
They both destroyed those verses…name one ring-tone rapper out today that can even compare to any of these dudes (go ahead i’m waiting)
January 14th, 2008 at 10:40 am
jay is my favorite rapper but i can’t even front joey came back and killed that shit his verse was harder than hov’s verse but hov’s verse was still hot though.
January 14th, 2008 at 10:43 am
tell me this did pimp c kill hov on the big pimpin song it was so bad that j added that last verse cause he felt played
January 14th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Joe all the way on this one. Jigga is my dude but Joey has yet to back down from anyone on wax. Lookup G-Unit, Ransom, Game,and a couple others on his body list. And Talk 2 Em was just a light jab, i pray the old man doesn’t even try coming back/
January 14th, 2008 at 10:51 am
I aint gone lie Joey verse was actually kinda hot but thats due to the fact that this is his own beat he knows the ins and outs of it he probably spent hours upon hours coming up with the first raps for it he had them lines already in his head, – Jay just came in and literally step the word play up to a whole another level he says some words that makes you go in the dictionary and find the meanings to lol
January 14th, 2008 at 11:04 am
THAT SHIT IS GARBAGE HAD MY EARS HURTIN BOTH THEM NIGGAS SUCK AND SO DO THAT BEAT
January 14th, 2008 at 11:04 am
joey was writing his shit 4 weeks cuz he knew he had to b prepared 4 hov, “the one take wonder” jay anyday
January 14th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Well not they not going head to head on it so the person that went last had the advantage, so therefore i dont think anybody got murdered maybe a shot to the knee, attempted murder or malicious wounding, or aggravated assault
January 14th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Jay’s verse was better by a land slide but I thought this topic was gonna be people featuring on a song with each other and they both were aware of the other person in advance. Like Jay and Em on Renegade. Or Jay and Big on BK finest ect. Put those type of song comparisons up.
January 14th, 2008 at 11:14 am
joe budden ah never be anymore of a rapper then he is now he still at the same level and the same space he was in when he originally recorded this shit. jay only spit on it cuz the beat was kinda hot. instead of this clown u shoulda put up the RENEGADE song wit jay and eminem off the blueprint 1 now that sum shit to debate about not this joe budden bullshit.
January 14th, 2008 at 11:28 am
ITS DOESNT MATTER WHO MURDER WHO BUDDEN WILL SOON HAVE HIM A NEW RECORDING HOME OVER AT SHADY WHERE HE CAN HAVE EM RIPP HIM A WHOLE NEW ASSHOLE ON HIS OWN TRACKS OR FUCK AROUND MY NIGGA OBIE KANOBIE(TRICE) MIGHT DO IT TO HIM PLUS LLOYD BANKS,WASNT JOE AND GAME WAS BEEFING
January 14th, 2008 at 11:29 am
good post. i got to run with budden on this one. he did his thing
January 14th, 2008 at 11:32 am
talk 2 em and this, i think joey’s been wanting to beef with hov for a minute but i do think hov murdered him
January 14th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Buddens all the way. Its….its…its that ON TOP MUSIC!!!! come on, please. regardless of advantages or not, Joe killed it. most people can take a Jay-Z verse and analyze it for a year and still wont come up with something better. Buddens is a problem, B. his metaphors are hotter and he puts so much more into just one line. maybe if Jay did write down his $Hit, he might be a billion times better. He’s great, but he couldve been better if he sat down and proof read his $hit. but i’m with Joey on this one. Much respect for not backing down and worrying about what Camel could do to a career. Joe Buddens for President of Def Jam!!!!!
January 14th, 2008 at 11:35 am
so jay is my personal goat and joe is my favorite rapper. that said joe took this pretty easily. he spazzed by the end of the track.
January 14th, 2008 at 11:36 am
good topic realtalkny.
i’m goining with hov on this though. H-O
January 14th, 2008 at 11:37 am
joey was 22 when he spit that verse with jay…hahaha…who can fuck wit dude foreal
January 14th, 2008 at 11:37 am
PLEAAAAAAAASSSSEEE…Outside New York nobody knows Joe Budden…U gotta say he dat dude that had that one song u know ‘pump pump it up’….Gets no respect hes a clown thats why no one put him out when he was at Def Jam cuz he straight garbage
January 14th, 2008 at 11:40 am
hate ur last single….BOYS ROC
January 14th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Im from Brooklyn originally, lived in Rhode Island, Lived in south florida and now i’m in the ATL and i bump into people all the time that respect Joe Buddens. so u can Pump, pump, pump that up #20
January 14th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
jay killed this nigga. the only person that ever gave jay a promblem on his own track was eminem and thats because the structure of the song was made for eminems style. he produced the track. the beat fit eminems style so damn good that jay was really at a disadvantage. non the less he still had a great verse.
joe sucks jay murdered him on his own shit. joe been in the game for 5 years now and still aint done shit with himself. he will always be the “pump it up” guy.
January 14th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
eminem murderd hov on his own shit and nas murdered him on success but hey nas could murder the whole industry on their own shit
January 14th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
11. Pounce wrote on January 14th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Jay’s verse was better by a land slide but I thought this topic was gonna be people featuring on a song with each other and they both were aware of the other person in advance. Like Jay and Em on Renegade. Or Jay and Big on BK finest ect. Put those type of song comparisons up.
>>> No, doubt. I’ll put those comparisons up in a later post. What other songs do you want me to post?
After listening to “Pump It Up”, I had to see what everyone thought about Joey answering HOV.
January 14th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
joey came back spittin hot fire. but hov’s word play is really intricate. too close to call. round 2(success track)
January 14th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
plus kool g rap murdered everybody he got with on their own shit
January 14th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
yo prince next time do renegade big pimpin and bk finests.
sorry, but i’m voting 4 joey on this one.
January 14th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
you could say Em murdered jay but i’ll say jay is one of only a few(lyricist) to even get on a track wit Em in his prime. nas ain’t never did it. neither did joe buddens. LL straight changed his verse canibus murdered him so hard.
January 14th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
biggie murdered camel on his own shit too so stop dickriding that camel like he’s untouchable
January 14th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
so do think if nas got on with em he couldn’t murder him
January 14th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Talib Kweli ft. Pharoahe Monch and Black Thought- Guerilla Monsoon Rap
LL Cool J ft. Method Man, RedMan, and Canibus – 4,3,2,1
Nas ft. AZ, Cormega, and Foxy Brown – Affirmative Action
Big L and Jay-Z – 7 Minute Freestyle
Notorious B.I.G. ft. Bone Thugs N’ Harmony – Notorious Thugs
Busta Rhymes and everybody he’s ever recorded with
Craig Mack ft. Notorious B.I.G., LL Cool J and Busta Rhymes – Flava in ya Ear
Eminem ft. Royce the 5′9″ – Bad Meets Evil
GZA/Genius ft. Method Man – ShadowBoxin’
Memphis Bleek ft. Missy Eliot, Jay-Z, and Twista – Is That Yo Chick (Remix)
Joe Buddens ft. Joell Ortiz – Warfare (MM3)
Lost Boyz ft. A+, RedMan and Canibus – Beast From The East
Mobb Deep ft. Nas – Its Mine
Outkast ft. Raekwon – Skew It On The Bar-B
These are all toss ups to me. Overall the tracks is ill, but who killed it?
January 14th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
yea…i was feelin joeys verse when i first heard it…but damn, Hov went out on homie on that track…and shit sounded natural as fuck
Joey did him though, no mc out right now is even close, but better verse..eh..nah
January 14th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Well overall I think Hov did a better job from word play to the flow. But did Joey ever rip that shit up ecspecially more then half way thru the verse. Fact is one hit or not Hov should not of dropped this dude and this track proves it..Both Mcs take a bow
January 14th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Jay destroyed that track but no one can tell me that Joe didn’t either.
January 14th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
yo i remember this joint…HOV VERSE IS HOT BUT JOES VERSE WAS OFF THE CHAIN HE ALSO DISSED 50 IN THAT JOINT TOO…ANYBODY THAT DONT BELIEVE JOES VERSE WAS BETTER THAN HOVS MUST BE DEAF DUMB BLIND AND CRAZY… “I AINT TRYING TO DISS JAY HE’S THE GREATEST BREATHIN HE “PAVED” HIS WAY AND I’M JUST LAYING MY CEMENT” DAAAM JOE 1 HOV 0…..1
January 14th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Joey’s verse was an response to Hov’s,So U cant compare them!!!!….Now Hov’s version was betta tha Pump It Up original tho!!!
January 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Eminem did get Hov in Renegade, the BK finest was to close for me to call. But some others that didnt get mentioned:
Jay murdered Cam on Welcome to New York City from his come home with me album. Wayne murdered Cam on suck it or not & every nigga in that little Miami group they got, Khaled Rick Ross, Fat Joe ect.
Ludacris is a serial killer for taking all them niggas out on the Im so hood remix. A lot of niggas got murdered on they own shit now that I think about it. Bleek got murdered on every song he did with Hov, Justin Timberlake murdered 50 on Ayo tech, 50 murdered Ciara on Cant leave em alone lol
January 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
i find it funny that all you niggas is dickriding joe buddens now. where the fuck were yall when his album came out?
January 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
haaa, you have to be a hater to say joey didn’t do his thing on this track. who would even have the guts to respond to hov, nobody.
joey 2, hov 0
January 14th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
WHAT PEOPLE DONT REALIZE IS THAT JOE WROTE THIS IN A FEW DAYS AFTER. IF U EVER WROTE A SONG U KNOW U GOTTA PUT IN WORK AND FOR HIM TO COME BACK ON THAT LEVEL A FEW DAYS COME ON. JUST LIKE HE WAS RESPONDING TO RANSON LIKE A FEW MINS. AFTER HE HEARD RANS SHIT. I GIVE IT TO JUMPOFF HANDS DOWN.
January 14th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
i hope shadey signs joe budden. He has taken an independent situation and create hype against one of the more popular guys in hiphop including jay.
he deserves a fresh run with a new team. I would actually had bought mm3 as an album, its the best tape out.
January 14th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I like these types of post. Hov was arguably in his prime and joe was a rookie.
So yes jay murdered dude on his own shit.
January 14th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
29.iHustle wrote on January 14th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
yo prince next time do renegade big pimpin and bk finests.
sorry, but i’m voting 4 joey on this one.
>>> No, problem. I’ll be making another post,it makes for good discussion.
January 14th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
HOVIE ALL DAY BABY! NICE POST TOO
January 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
If Joe Buddens make another “Pump it up” type song on his next album so he can expand that fan base again. He would just need some 50 hooks, a Eminem feature or two and a few Dre beats he could do numbers. Somebody have Ransom kill himself to if Buddens sign with Shady/Aftermath.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
jay killed joe but joe held it down though.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
This used to be one of my fav. songs back in the day(around the time I first got my license)riding round with this shit on repeat(wuttup $tackz)…n-e-ways…Joey hands down!!!
Sorry Old Heads
January 14th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
joey came back strong and killed hov on that MM3. Im a hov fan but he really needs to fall back and let others shine. What Hov did at defjam was bad they got alot of young talent but he wasnt pushing them unless it was jeezy or Kanye and ye did it his self. You got Luda, Ghost Face, Beans, Freeway, Fab all at def jam but they wasnt getin back like they should have, cause hov wasnt doing his job.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
oh hov def had him
January 14th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Overover all Jay-Z>Joey…we all know that..on this track though…again Jay-Z>Joey…I feel if Joey would of fired first…and then Jay-Z came in with this..it would of been…guaranteed..hands down Hov…but since Joey came last people are like damn…I think the line where Joey says..I’m not from around this courts I’m sotjavich!! hahaha or when he said I ain’t afriad to open the door and say ol’ skool move it…or fall back shaq I’m starting now..hahahaha I thnk those are thelines..that had people bugging out..lol..but hove kind of sonned him..with ..you ain’t no athlete you are shawn bradley…and then perrys ellis..hahahah that was bad…but joey def came strong..it was fucked up cause then he went out like a bitch trying to cop a plea…”I ain’t going at hov cause he the greatest breathing”…
January 14th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Hov killed budden you only have to look at the voting he is way ahead of that dude. Renegade was a draw.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
ITS HARD TO COMPARE SINCE THEY DIDN’T DO IT AT THE SAME TIME JOEY HAD TIME TO RESPOND BUT I THINK JAY STILL HAD THE HOTTEST VERSE BUT JOEYS WAS HOT TOO
January 14th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Nas killed Hov on Black Republican.. If you don’t believe that then your some mindless dickriding stan. All due respect to Jay but he’s got murdered by Big L on “graveyard” back in the day too.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
joey got hov on this one and to that dude that said hova murdered CAM on WELCOME TO NEW YORK CITY,u need to listen to that song again cuz CAM certainly outdid jay-z on that track.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
first
January 14th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Jay OWNED Fif on his I get money Remix.
also… What about Jay just inside of his own Circle…
anyone remember dare i say Beanie Sigel’s ” It’s On “..
awww… Mannnnn Jay Murked sigel on that shit..
another that really stands out for Jay is…
The Diamonds Remix on Kanye’s shit… Woooo, that nigga fucked Ye up. And Ye my Nigga too.
January 14th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
There really is no competition and should be no reason to ask…Hov killed Joey, hands down…The only person that should be considered for poll like this, is Nas…Point blank…
January 14th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Oh… LMAOOOO @ me not evening knowing this thread was about Joe Budden…
LOL @ anyone even considering that Joe Budden could EVER in his life murder jay on anything…
You guys are ridiculous.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
of course Hov is going to get the majority of the votes… we all know Jay can do no wrong… but as for as the def of a “lyricist”, Jay is out of his league with Joey.. I won’t front, Jay has held his own down for some time now but if we want to look at true lyricist in the game Jay doesn’t hold a candle to a lot of mc’s.. what Jay has going for him is the longevity and with that came the fan base…
January 14th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
what about Jim Jones?? he killed jay in those disses…sike..
but yea…Em came hard on RENEGADE!!!!
January 14th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
hahahaha i had to laugh at the nigga that said jay is out of his league with joe buddens.nigga are you 15 years old or something. that shit had me rollin i must admit. bottom line jay killed joey on his own shit.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
only rapper i can think of that really beat jay on a song was eminem in ‘renegade’. jay has held his own w/ biggie and nas but eminem really got him on dat song.
January 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
LIL WAYNE>>DEVIN THE DUDE – LIL GIRL GONE
JAY-Z>>T.I. – WHATCH WHAT YOU SAY TO ME
SNOOP>>2PAC – 2 OF AMERICAZ MOST WANTED
AZ>>NAS – LIFES A BITCH
BIGGIE>>CRAIG MACK – FLAVA IN YA EARS RMX
50 CENT>>THE GAME – HOW WE DO
NAS>>THE GAME – WHY YOU HATE THE GAME
THE GAME>>NAS – HUSTLERS
JAY-Z>>SCARFACE – GUESS WHO’S BACK
TALIB KWELI>>STYLES P. – TESTIFY
NAS>>JADAKISS – SHOW DISCIPLINE
JAY-Z>>KANYE WEST – DIAMONDS RMX
JAY-Z>>YOUNG JEEZY – CRAZY
JAY-Z>>BIG L – DA GRAVEYARD 95′
JAY-Z>>JOE BUDDENS – PUMP IT UP RMX
NAS>>BUSTA RHYMES – DONT GET CARRIED AWAY
ROYCE DA 59′>>EMINEM – BAD MEETS EVIL
ANDRE 3000>>DEVIN THE DUDE – WHAT A JOB
NAS>>>MOBB DEEP – EYE FOR A EYE
50 CENT>>>>EMINEM – NEVER ENOUGH
FABOLOUS>>>>T.I. – BIG THINGS POPPIN REMIX
LUDACRIS >>> YOUNG BUCK – STOMP
SNOOP DOGG >>> DR DRE – EVERY TRACK THEY FEATURE ON TOGETHER
ADAKISS >>> GHOSTFACE KILLAH – RUN
OUTKAST >>> UGK – I CHOOSE YOU
January 14th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
WE’RE COMPARING VERSES HERE, DONT FORGET. OF COURSE JAY IS ON ANOTHER LEVEL THEN JUNPOFF BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SONG JOE GOT HIM. JORDAN HAD OFF DAYS.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
oooo.. good point @ OLA… ***Bumps ‘Renegade’***
OLA wrote on January 14th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
only rapper i can think of that really beat jay on a song was eminem in ‘renegade’. jay has held his own w/ biggie and nas but eminem really got him on dat song.
January 14th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
This is wat’s wrong with Hip-Hop heads…it’s always about who outshines who on a song…why can’t we jst b happy that a bunch of good rappers r tryna puttin’ in work 2getha and making tracks sound good…other genres don’t b like this guy got murded on his own song…it’s retarded…
January 14th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
is jay gonna reply or does he know hes washed up? Bc if he doesnt than he aint the GOAT bc Budden killed that nigga! Fuck Jay Z and Def Jam!!!! NIGGA FELL IN LUV AND SUPERMAN DIED, BETTER LEARN TO COVER YOUR EARS WHEN THOSE TOYS POP,I HATE YO LAST SINGLE I HOPE U BOYS ROT!
January 14th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
yea joey did his thing but he needs a bangin album where I can sit & listen w/o skip’n the bs. that goes 4 err emcee or rapper. lately its 4 money instead of the art. jay style isn’t on another level he’s got big flow & mixed it wit his words. remember the gift & curse album. jay grew from whateva held him from bein the next big. if u look he played it well. joey jus needs 2 stop frontin & spit 4real like we kno he can & stop worryin bout the next man.
if u sayin jay betta than big L u trip’n son. big L ripped everything he spit out. ditc proved his ability. check the old sh+t when jay was tryin 2 sign him as part of a group when the roc 1st started.
LYRICALLY RIGHT NOW NOBODY CAN F¥°K WIT NAS. THATS A BEAST RIGHT THERE…FROM THE TIME HE STARTED WIT KOOL G, HE SHOWED HIS LENGTH ON HOW FAR HE CAN TAKE IT
January 14th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
“I don’t write I just will it to happen” -Hov
nuff said…..
January 14th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Pump Pump It Up!!!
New York I’m sorry!!!
Joe = 1 hit wonder
Soulja Boy > Joe Budden
Yaaaah Trick Yaaaaah!!!!!
LMFAO!!!
January 14th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
yea joey did his thing but he needs a bangin album where I can sit & listen w/o skip’n the bs. that goes 4 err emcee or rapper. lately its 4 money instead of the art. jay style isn’t on another level he’s got big flow & mixed it wit his words. remember the gift & curse album. jay grew from whateva held him from bein the next big. if u look he played it well. joey jus needs 2 stop frontin & spit 4real like we kno he can & stop worryin bout the next man.
if u sayin jay betta than big L u trip’n son. big L ripped everything he spit out. ditc proved his ability. check the old sh+t when jay was tryin 2 sign him as part of a group when the roc 1st started.
LYRICALLY RIGHT NOW NOBODY CAN FK WIT NAS. THATS A BEAST RIGHT THERE…FROM THE TIME HE STARTED WIT KOOL G, HE SHOWED HIS LENGTH ON HOW FAR HE CAN TAKE IT
January 14th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Joey killed Jay-Z on Pump It Up Remix
January 14th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Preach.
t.hall wrote on January 14th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Pump Pump It Up!!!
New York I’m sorry!!!
Joe = 1 hit wonder
Soulja Boy > Joe Budden
Yaaaah Trick Yaaaaah!!!!!
LMFAO!!!
January 14th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
yo…I’m a hov fan…but Hov played himself…he was use to murdering niggas shit….Joe Buddens has murdered any nigga that has ever stepped up…he’s the only nigga that took on G-Unit for dolo…and he gave ‘em such a torturing that they had to fall back…that beef as a matter of fact was a prelude to Game’s album and Game didn’t even mention Buddens’ name…Also he was the first to expose Game on that Change of Heart Shit…
Ya’ll better do your homework, he’s the not greatest, but he’s the best overall in the game…anything anyone else can do, he can do it, but better, his story’s are sick 90 percent of his metaphors have double and triple meanings, he’s slick, and sick, and has his own swag…
All I got to say is…
“…..I ain’t Kobe, Tracy,….Joey the future I’m more like Dirk/ Any body Buy Ass, Bet me/ try and wet me/ ya’ll dudes that never made it/ ya’ll tyus edny/…..
“…..Joe step in booth/ and be like oldschool move it…”
-He played this nigga Jay then, letting him know his time was coming to a close….
Buddens is a beast, if you don’t think so….stop the Dick riding for a minute, and try to honestly listen, unless all ya’ll special ed muthaphuckas, can’t handle the OVERHEAD…LOL
January 14th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Jay murdered the shit out of Jeezy and Fat Joe on go crazy remix.
January 14th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Nah….
I don’t think it’s fair to use Pump it Up….
Hov did kill it, regardless of what anyone thinks. But Joey did have a strong come back which gets me to thinking….if Hov never killed it, Joey would’ve never came back with a strong verse. Therefore, if Hov didn’t step the game up…Joey would’ve been quite content with the mediocre verses he had there………
Who knows? Hov prolly did that just to make him step it up……..
Let’s try with with Brooklyn’s Finest or the 7 minute freestyle with Big L…where niggas was face to face…no time to process the other dude’s verse and then come up with something hott…either u put up right there or you get shown up….
RealTalk…………
January 14th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
RENEGADE …………NUFF SAID JAY CANT HOLD HIS OWN WIT TOP LEGENDS LIKE BIG L ,BIGGIE,EMINEM WHEN HE HAS HOPPED ON TRACKS WIT THEM . N PUN WOULDVE ATE EM BUT PUN WAS TO REAL FOR A NIGGA LIKE JAY
January 14th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Clearly Jay killed Buddens on this. If he didn’t haters wouldn’t be trying to find something that Hov slipped on. On “Pump”, Jay didn’t even try and it was still hot. Buddens was ridin’ Jay hard then himself. Focus on the topic at hand people and on this topic, Hov’s the winner!
January 14th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
good point blanco montana pun would have punished him first and then give him the treatment and then eat him pun was way too fuckin real for the h-to the izzo and since this i wanna ride jay-z’ dick .com nas ,pun , g rap a.k.a giancana,bigl,prodigy ghostface,gza,meth,rae and all wu-tang except rza could eat this hot flower deal with it
January 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
jay:
- “go ahead, bug out”
- all those less than basketball players
-”talkin’ to NO ONE in particular.”
- “when i’m pickin’ up DUST! ”
joe:
- “old school, move it”
- “legacy’s gettin’ ruined”
- “ain’t hard to be real with no evidence”
- “and i ain’t comin’ at jay, ’cause he’s the greatest reader”
i say joe wins.
January 14th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
tothe nigga that said sometimes jay says shyt wer eu gotta go n look it up in the dictionary???????????????wen the fuk was the last time hov said somethin that complex please tell me wen th enigga said a word that big or a rhyme the intricate?????????nigga please hov is not pun or eminem or a list of other niggas that over hov wat makes hov is his SUBJECT FLOW N SWAG NOT INTRICATE RYME SCHEMES (NOT SAYIN HE DOESNT HAVE EM BUT ITS DEFINATLY NOT WAT HES KNOWN FOR)OR COMPLEX WORD PLAY SUCH AS EMINEM ,BIG PUN, BIG L,OR BIGGIE
January 14th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
#65 did his fuckin homework boy!
January 14th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
this is dumb…. yea joe had a nice lil track but he will never ever, no matter what, be able to be mentioned in the same breath as jay. trust me i know joe can spit, but he has no track list. madddd freestyles and ONE song under his belt. Jay has has classic albumSSSSSS. and if that track is a come back, Joe is a few years too late so why is this even a discussion.
January 14th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Jay’s verses was better in BK’s finest and i felt the same way the first time i heard it..
January 14th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
and it had to be or he wouldn’t have put out the record..
January 14th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
For real Man Joey quietly got at him on that joint. This is the “I’ve got nuthin to lose” type of cat that would hurt Jay. You can tell dude crafts every line to make a statement. If for no other reason he takes what he does so seriously. Jay would not be able to put the time in that it would take to handle Joey. jay is 2 busy making millions while Joey makes real music. The Mood Musik ish is legendary, and is exactly what HIP HOP needs. Jay was smart by not responding to Joey response. Since then Joey has been tapping that A–!!! to pull Jay in some stuff. If Jay is smart……stay away!!! Keep it subliminal
January 14th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Jay can go in & kill him on the drop of a dime.
Joe shit is rehearsed. He gotta pull out a pen
& pad for about a month 4 one song… Jay got
bigger fish to fry. Dudes be rapping with hooks
now! They not creative @ all.
January 14th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Jay-Z Assassinated, DEMOLISHED, Joey on Pump It Up, I lost respect for Joey after that bitch move he made, After Jay did his freestyle on it, Joey took the beat back after Jay bodied it, and was like “I let you hold the beat for a good 2 weeks Ho but you could give it back now” What kind of punk bitch shit is that. I Lost alot of respect for him after that because it was like He was holding on to that hit. That made him look like a sucka holdin on to that one hit. Now tell me I’m lyin?
January 15th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I just wanna throw in EM killed Hov on renegade and even over shadowed Biggie on dead Wrong which doesnt really count thaaaat much given that big was already dead.
January 15th, 2008 at 1:07 am
num53 crazy beans murdered hov on “it’s on” and saigon got jay on c’mon baby remix
but jay still a legend and he a beat nuff said and them was the only time where his verses came up weak speaking of jay killin people on their own shit he murdered snoop and pharrell on drop it like it’s hot remix
January 15th, 2008 at 1:20 am
–em had an advantage making the beat to renegade it might’ve been em’s song and hov probably bought it from him.
–hov has gone toe to toe wit big and nas and they are the greatest competition out. whether he won or lost just the fact that its discussed is proof of his legacy
–who cares bout big pun. no one really ever considers him one of the greatest. and hov woulda murked pun too. hold dat
now back to the question at hand
is this even a discussion
“whos the nicest/life or lifeless/ on these mic devices/ and i dont write this/ i just might this/ i will it to happen/ 1 take hov i’m real at this rappin/ my new name is just the facts/ while the rest of ya’ll just adjust the facts/ put words together just to match
whats the discussion. your honor i rest my case. guilty as charged. no johnny cochrans here that man i guilty, guilty guilty
January 15th, 2008 at 1:37 am
Ha, the same people that think Hov killed Budden are the same people that think Renegade was a draw. Trying to help Jay save face.
January 15th, 2008 at 3:07 am
@ 88 (KB)… YOU’RE LYING!
As much as jay protects his songs why would any body else be wrong for doin the same thing?
Why would an established artist like Jay-z wanna do a track over the new up coming artist’s beat anyways?
co-sign takticz…. but i enjoyed myself at the 40/40…lol! That was a good move his partners and him made!
Gonna have to see about a VIP room next time!
January 15th, 2008 at 4:20 am
2cents
So you are meaning to tell me, That if Jay-Z went back and answered or one-up Lil Wayne’s verse on Show Me What You Got, That wouldnt make him look like a sucka? Come on man, That was Joey’s only hit, and he was going hard to try and protect it just because Jay did a freestyle to it. It made Jim Jones look like a sucka too when they did that with Ballin! LOL! When Fabolous, G-Unit, etc did freestyles over Jay beats, when did Jay ever, respond on that beat? NEVER! THAT IS A SUCKAS MOVE!!! Answer this, Did Joey or Jim ever match the success of Pump It Up & We Fly High? Can They? LMAO!!! Get Real Fam!!!
January 15th, 2008 at 6:08 am
Believe what you will but in the game the come up was gettin on a “industry beat” that was fire and goin hard… now why would an established act such as Jay need to do that? rhetorical he didn’t. *Speculation* Jay saw the dude had talent and went to cut him at the knees immediately. Dude didn’t die but Jay did his damage. Then when the kid was almost ready to recover jay became his boss…lol! It is what it is… I’m not a big fan of his music but you can’t deny the logic of some of his moves he makes. Like how once he got signed to be president songs like back like that and other samples of Jay lines became hooks for several def jam releases… solidifying his place even more!
January 15th, 2008 at 8:55 am
2cents
He didnt diss Joey on the song, he used it for his S.Collection mixtape, Just like he used 50’s If I Cant but 50 didnt boarderline bitch about it like Joey, so that goes to show you that he was riding that hit dry. Joey is a good mixtape rapper and thats it.
January 15th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
yea that was the s.collection mixtape it wasnt personal, he did joe buddens, 50 cent, and b2k, bump bump bump. it was just random freestyles over beats nothing personal. but joey caught feelings and we see what happened after that
January 15th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
AIGHT….JOEY’S NICE. AND VERY UNDERATED MIGHT I ADD! BUT…
“Who’s the nicest,
life or lifeless,
on theese mic devices,
and i dont write this, YUP…
I just mic this,
I will it to happen,
ONE TAKE HOV Im real at this Rap Shit!”
NEED I SAY MORE LADIEZ AND GENTLE MAN???!!!
January 15th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
lol…
Believe what you will! lol @ “he didn’t diss joey”
50 and Joe weren’t in the same shoes and for you guys (or one person) not to realize or admit that shows me what y’all are workin with.
50 had a more established career AND he had the backin of Interscope/Dr. Dre and Eminem… he could kinda afford the hit plus he mixed it up a lil wit jay for promotion!
Joe Budden isn’t in the same shoes… plus beyond that the freestyle I listened to that was attached to this didn’t seem like a “random freestyles over beats nothing personal” seein he callin a dude shawn bradley and makin comparisons doesn’t sound random or like its nothing personal
January 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
JAY OWNED THAT SONG .I CANT EVEN REMEBER THE ORIGINAL BUDDENS VERSION.
JAY KILLED IT SO BAD THAT JOEY HAD TO RERECORD IT WITH A FIRE VERSE.HE CAME NICE BUT THEN AGAIN HIS VERSION WAS A DISS RECORD WHEREAS JAY WAS A RANDOM SONG .SO THE RANDOM SONG>>>THE DISS SONG.
PPLONLY REMEBER BUDDENS SECOND VERSION COS HE WAS DISSING JIGGA.
WHOS THE NICEST LIFE OR LIKENESS ON THIS MIC DEVICES?
January 16th, 2008 at 1:47 am
That’s BS mayn i mean after a week only Joey had some good punchline but that’s about it mayn Jay had some punchline that most y’all 15years prolly can’t get plus he switched his flow and spittin truth and basically 1up Joey tried to kill it but…NAhh
What are you CRAZY /Jay’ll Buried Them
The picture ain’t vivid/
The Language I’m Spittin Is Foreign To y’all
January 16th, 2008 at 5:56 am
I LOVE HOW NO1 HOV STAN CAN ANSWER 81 LOL
January 16th, 2008 at 6:45 am
Biggie is so much greater than Jay!
Jay IS older, was in the game LONGER but as most folks up here state ONLY HELD HIS OWN while on a track wit Big?
Who became a star 1st?
Perception ain’t the truth but it’s a motherfcker! Whatever, however he does it (listenin to ether) he strategically gets himself in positions he may not deserve to be!
January 16th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
This was off a Kay Slay mixtape, the DRAMA King. Definitely was a diss or they were just battling each other for fun. Either way I’m seeing waaaay too much riding on Jay-Z just because he’s the current champ. I think some of you need to listen to the lyrics cuz Jay didnt really say anything worth quoting. And he always says he’s one-take Hov or not writing but if you watch Fade To Black he didnt do he tracks in one take, he spit the lines he wanted and put em together. Joe definitely ripped him, but hey, its Joey’s beat.
“You not that hot, don’t believe the yes man”
January 16th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I gotta give it to Joe. Both got some ill ass verses that 90% of the ppl in the game today couldnt spit if they spent 4 years tryin to.